[Chuzzlewit]

we lose in every possible scenario.

we go over, the press hounds our side for 2 straight years as being the cause of a second recession. we then lose the house.

we don’t go over, a will still have stagflation, conservatives are still blamed... you see this is just as Orwell predicted... we lose the house.

the truth is what the Prez and the Press say it is.

it’s going to take a complete collapse of the United States for things to ever turn around... for now, we are just playing games.

[Red Badger]

When ‘The System’ collapses, it is essentially ‘fixed’.............

[Truth29]

So why don't we give him everything he and the leftists with the most fevered dreams want. They are going to do it anyway; let's help the country over the cliff and see what is left after economic collapse and hyperinflation. At most, don't oppose Obama, just abstain from the votes for higher taxes, more entitlements, and more everything.

[Anima Mundi]

Instead of concession and agreement wherein the blame is shared, why don’t they say that they firmly disagree with it, but see that the Democrats are willing to let people suffer, so they will simply vote PRESENT, sort of a protest. At least make it very, very, very clear who owns the whole thing. Otherwise, if they make an agreement and things tank, we will only hear that “Republicans are equally to blame.” So, take a stand OR vote “Present” but don’t share in the takedown actively please, Republicans.

[copaliscrossing]

the truth is what the Prez and the Press say it is.

Unfortunately....very true. The long term goal MUST be to formulate a plan to "take over" as many media outlets as possible. Problem for good conservative business people is that a lot of the media outlets are bleeding money right now and it would be a "bad investment". I think the libs look at any media venture as a necessary "cost" rather than a business and that's the way some deep pocket conservatives need to view it also.