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To: The Sons of Liberty

Poland has really come a long way as a nation. From a Jew hating oppressive state prior to and during the Nazi years, and a freedom crushing state under the Russians, to a pro-life pro-free speech pro-capitalist nation it is now.


14 posted on 11/28/2012 2:11:12 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee
Poland has really come a long way as a nation. From a Jew hating oppressive state prior to and during the Nazi years, and a freedom crushing state under the Russians, to a pro-life pro-free speech pro-capitalist nation it is now.

I can't agree with you, Poland has been a place where people of different believes found their refugee for hundreds of years. Please read this:
"From the beginning of its statehood, different religion coexisted in Poland. In the 16th and 17th centuries, Poland was famous for its unique religious tolerance reasserted by the Statute of Kalisz (1264) and the Warsaw Confederation (1573)."
15 posted on 11/29/2012 12:24:27 AM PST by Verdelet (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!)
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Sam -- you're talking through your hat. I live in Poland and have history as a hobby -- I'm not Polish nor of Polish origin (my wife is) and your statements are completely wrong to anyone who has read any amount of history

Do you know that Jews were invited to live in Poland by the kings when they were thrown out of England and Germany and Spain? And that they, forget about being persecuted, got rights as equals and these were safeguarded by the kings?

Do you know that Jews in the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth (1389-1793) were pretty much governing themselves and lived in peace -- in the late 1700s they comprised nearly 80% of world Jewry.

Do you know that the Hebrew joke was for 'polonia' (Poland in Latin) to be read as poh-lan-ya (God rests here). In the words osponsa No. 73 of the great Kraków rabbi Moses Isserles 'Remuh' (1510-72): "It is better to live on dry bread, but in peace, in Poland.">

do you know that the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth (from 1389 to 1793) was religiously tolerant? The Poles were Catholics, but Orthodox Ruthenians, Armenian Orthodox, Jews, Unitarians (Polish Brethern), Calvinists and Lutherans as well as Moslem Tartars were free to live,govern themselves and were unmolested and free to practise their religion?

Where do you get this "Jew hating" idea from? Do you know that the largest number of people in Israel's Yad Vashem for "righteous among the gentiles" are Poles?

Do you know that the Nazis considered Polish Gentiles the second race to be exterminated after Jews? And did you know that only in Nazi occupied Poland, if anyone was caught harboring, or even giving a Jew food, they would be sentenced to death with their family? And yet, even then, many Jews were helped?

"Jew hating" -- that's among the most ignorant statements I've heard so far -- to call a nation that was almost a land for Jews (80%) "Jew hating" is ignorant to say the least

16 posted on 11/29/2012 4:22:27 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Sam Gamgee; Verdelet
"freedom crushing state under the Russians" is somewhat correct

Yet, under the first occupation by the Russians (from 1772 to 1918 -- and from 1793 to 1918 poland was wiped off the map, torn into 3 parts by Russia, Prussia and Austria and the partitioning powers had a pact to not even mention the name of Poland) -- during that first occupation, they had 5 uprisings in which Poles, Jews, Lithuanians and Ruthenians participated to recreate the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth -- they were not part of any "freedom crushing state"

Under the second Russian, Soviet occupation, communism never sat well on Poland -- Stalin famously said that "communism in Poland is like putting a saddle on a cow" -- it barely worked and this was because the Soviets didn't try to collectivize the farms (as they did in the USSR and Czechia etc.) and allowed some private businesses after Stalin died

The communist government there did join the rest of the USSR's satellites in crushing the Hungarian spring in '56, but the communists had no real support -- trying to implement an atheistic and globalistic ideology on the Poles who had been denied statehood for 150 years was impossible

17 posted on 11/29/2012 4:27:41 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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