POLITICAL SUICIDE, ANYONE? (IT WAS NOT THE HISPANIC VOTE THAT DEFEATED ROMNEY)

Powerline ^ | 11/24/2012 | PAUL MIRENGOFF

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In an article referenced by Scott earlier today, Byron York shows that Mitt Romney did not lose the election because of his failure to win the Hispanic vote. Romnwy would have lost in Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, Iowa, and New Hampshire even if he had gained a large portion of the Hispanic votes in these key battleground states.

York also demonstrates that, as we have argued, Hispanics are not a natural Republican constituency. If anything, they are natural Democrats for reasons unrelated to the immigration issue. Exit poll information suggests that Hispanics based their votes on a number of issues beyond illegal immigration, and those issues favored Democrats. A majority of Hispanics who voted this Election Day favored keeping Obamacare, higher taxes for higher earners, and (by 2 to 1) keeping abortion legal.

This brings me to the question of immigration reform. Such legislation is best evaluated on its merits, rather than on its politics. However, to the extent Republican legislators undertake a political analysis, it should weigh heavily against a vote for any package that provides a path to citizenship for illegal aliens, including the children of those who are here illegally.

The Hispanic vote wasn’t decisive in states like Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, Iowa and New Hampshire because, although it favored Obama big-time, it wasn’t a large portion of the vote. The kind of immigration reform pushed by Democrats would tend to change this.

Moreover, because Hispanics favor Democratic positions on a wide range of big issues having nothing to do with immigration, supporting liberal immigration reform will not win many Hispanic votes. Given these realities, I see no political case, from a Republican point of view, for supporting a path to citizenship for illegal aliens. To contrary, supporting such reform looks something like an act of political suicide.

[chopperjc]

I have to say to blame “fraud” for losing the election is getting tiresome. To think that is why we lost is completely living in delusion. The same delusion that gave us un-skewed polls. We have to sell our message positively. The hate and alienation of large groups is what has hurt us. Polling shows the biggest drag was the 47% speech yet that is also being promoted as true. The message has to be positive and inclusive.

[chopperjc]

Those “better known” polls were the worst of the cycle. Ras has had three terrible cycles in a row. Gallup not much better.

[chopperjc]

The polls were not off. That is why every poll averager was on the button. 538, Princeton, RCP, TPM all had an Obama easy victory, guess what happened?

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You mean like the “positive” campaign Obama ran? The campaign of division that was so unsuccessful he lost the election?

Oh wait........

[Salvation]

What about the fraud?

[Salvation]

What about the black vote?

8 out of 10 white Protestants voted for Romney...95% of black Protestants voted for Obama...

[chopperjc]

How about positive campaign of Reagan? Communicating a powerful and positive message of conservatism.

The hope and change Obama campaigned on may have been bs but it worked.

[hosepipe]

http://blip.tv/davidhorowitztv/bill-whittle-6444929

[Monorprise]

It is an act of politician Suicide John seems intend on caring out. If the republican party somehow survives Johns attempted suicide it will not be the republican party anyone recognizes.

John is not only killing his own job but the hopes and dreams of every patriot left in these increasingly divided States. It would upset me more if I did not think the fate of this increasingly unholy union was already decided.

I don’t know of anything that can save freedom in this union at this point except dilution. There are simply too many people up north unwilling to allow the changes necessary to preserve freedom. Washington is too lawless to respect our rights and keep its nose out of our business.

Of course John seems intent upon cutting our numbers down even more drastically. Perhaps to the effect of even destroying our last bastion of liberty with the influx of a culturally totalitarian population strait out of always politically dysfunctional Mexico & Central America.

Unassaimulated and still attached to the values & printable that brought their homelands to unending ruin. Perhaps that is why every day our land under their choice of laws & leaders is looking more and more like the one they left.

I wish i could say Democrats would realize their mistake in 4 years and reverse themselves, but that never happened in Mexico or central America, it did not happen in 2012, what reason is there to believe that it will happen in 2016?

[Monorprise]

95% of blacks period regularly vote for the democrat no matter who he is or what he does.

The black vote a slave vote, for the same party that not only held them in servitude for hundreds of years but in 2nd class status for 100 years after that.

It just goes to show that in politics history and & truth mean nothing at all compared to who can lie the loudest and buy the most votes on the backs of the hardest working politically minority.

[headstamp 2]

Face facts. The demonization of Romney worked on all levels. That combined with Romney’s ineptitude to close the deal pretty much sealed it. Throw in the Democrat fraud machine where you had some places with 125% vote turn out.

[Monorprise]

“”It would be nice if anyone cared what is best for America.”

Some of us voted “for love of country.””

It is difficult to love that which no longer exist. I miss America very much, I loved her when she stood for individual freedom and the right to your own property & life.

But she died some time ago, and for that I still morn with great sadness in my heart.

[VRWC For Truth]

The GOP held the House majority and gained in state and local offices. This means the GOP is winning at the local level. On the national level, not so much. The GOP has to ask itself why it can’t win the Senate and WH. Some of it is the system. Big city votes > collective small town votes. Big state electoral votes > collective small state electoral votes. Some of it is self induced. Bad Senate and WH candidates. Most of it is a lack of message. The big tent has diluted the narrative. Bush spent like a Liberal. There was more diversity of opinion in the GOP primary than the Presidential election. If the GOP moves further left, all that does is encourage the ‘Rats to move further left. Personally I believe the GOP is spineless and really does not want to win.

[Monorprise]

“Face facts. The demonization of Romney worked on all levels. That combined with Romney’s ineptitude to close the deal pretty much sealed it. Throw in the Democrat fraud machine where you had some places with 125% vote turn out.”

Tell us what we can do about it, and we shall labor to make it happen. I see no options except to work to bring about a 2nd revolution and rebirth of freedom.

[chopperjc]

The 125% turnout thing has been debunked.

Romney was a horrible candidate I agree. The party of Aiken and Mourdoch did not help. What gets me and I have been talking about it for a while, excluding people is never a good thing. SB 1070 is when we lost another 10’points from Latinos. Full disclosure married to Latina so my kids are Latin as well. No matter how good the intentions were it was a poorly written bill. In Florida it played bad. I might disagree with Dems but the turnout machine was a thing to behold. The republicans lost the message war, lost the tactical side, so hence lost election. The sooner we come to grips with this maybe we can start building the party and start winning a national election. Remember we have lost 5 of 6 popular votes. This race is going to be 3.7 or so behind when it is all said and done. 332 EV in the end not that close at all.

[hinckley buzzard]

If you are expecting that people here actually read articles before shooting their mouth off, save your breath.

[stanne]

I know. Crazy, right?

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Obama didn’t have an “easy victory”.

If you want to look at the electoral college count, then it does look kind of lopsided, but, when it comes to state-by-state voter totals, there were plenty of them that had close enough votes where one could say that, it was very close.

Some of those states were close enough to the point that, voter fraud could make a huge difference. No pollster can account for voter fraud, or for illegal votes, or for voters coming back from the dead to cast their votes, or votes being lost on the way to the counters.

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fossil RINOs I meant to say.

Which one would be preferable?

A "fossil" RINO, or a democrat who swoops in to take the place of the our "fossil"? Mind you that, our "fossils" could be counted on to give us their votes when it comes to legislation, whereas, a democrat could always be counted on to vote against our agenda.

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RE: 8 out of 10 white Protestants voted for Romney...95% of black Protestants voted for Obama...

Do we have figures for Roman Catholics?

All I know is that 48% of Catholics who voted went Romney.