Posted on 11/22/2012 4:50:18 AM PST by marktwain
GULF COVE, Fla. - A man out on a walk Tuesday morning came face to face with two charging dogs in Gulf Coast. He shot and killed one of the dogs.
A witness told deputies he saw the entire incident in the area of Gillot Boulevard and Holton Terrace.
Deputies met with Frank Gross, 63, who lives several blocks away on Flemming Street. He advised he was out for his usual five-mile walk along the same route he takes every day. He said two large Boxer dogs were let out of the home at 5403 Holton Terrace and were not on leashes. Gross said he was across the street and the two dogs came charging towards him. He said he yelled for the dogs to get back, but they kept coming. Fearing for his safety, Gross told deputies he reached into his fanny pack and withdrew a .22 caliber pistol and fired one shot killing one of the dogs; the second dog fled.
Then the owner of the dog is responsible. If your imagination is correct, then this poor man is attacked by these dogs often and he finally got fed up.
Plug this into your imagination: if the man walked by the dogs every day and poked them with a stick through a fence, and one day the fence was open, would you blame the dogs for getting fed up with the daily abuse and attacking him?
I have 3 labrador retrievers. A nice fellow walks every day in my neighborhood, swinging a cane. I keep my dogs inside, unless they go to their fenced yard in the back.... But every day when he passes by, they are jumping at the window, like they are wanting to get outside and tear this guy a new orifice. I keep my dogs contained. They bark. He goes by. All is well. He carries his cane, not because he needs it to walk, but because he might need it to protect himself. He too, probably carries a fire-arm in his fanny-pack. Good for him. I love my dogs, I also know that idiots turn their dogs out, without a second thought. Whether lab or pit bull.... If you love your dogs, keep them contained and away from those who may be bearing arms and potentially fearing for their life.
I find boxers to be as affectionate as pit bulls. If you
don’t run usually your all right. As long as they don’t
sense any fear and feel any threat then once you pet them, your pals. Great dogs.
“The dogs were coming to lick him
Over exuberant killing”
Most likely the case here.
Charging dogs?!?!!?
What kind of credit card were they using?
Pooches running up to greet usually show it with their body language. Tail wags, teeth not bared.
The legal bottom line is that:
1) Dogs are animals. They do not have civil rights.
2) Dogs are property. Despite the emotional attachment their owners may assign to them, and the invariable, “If you hurt my dog I will kill you!”, the law does not see it that way.
If a dog menaces a person, “in their opinion”, and they kill that dog, they are not even guilty of animal cruelty, unless the means they used was intended to cause suffering, not just kill. Likewise, they are generally not even subject to civil liability.
In many cities across the US, dogs are not permitted to wander unleashed. If they are unleashed, and off your property, they may be killed at will.
Any unlicensed, unleashed dog off your property may be killed at any time, by a citizen, the police, or animal control.
Was he packin' heat for humanoids or animals on his daily runs?....I report, you decide.
Leni
My daughter and I were out one day for a walk when, from across a small field a huge Golden Lab came tearing out of its yard and running toward us full tilt. It got right to us, looking as if it were about to lunge, then promptly fell down, rolled over onto its back and peed all over itself.
I'm inclined to think that these boxers were victims of circumstance.
I love dogs and am a responsible dog owner, but I detest irresponsible dogs/owners who let their charges run free to threaten people and do damage to personal property.
Good for Frank and good for the local authorities for recognizing that Frank had the right to defend himself. Tough toenails for the dog owner in this case. This case rings a bell with me because I have been in the same situation as Frank, but I wasn’t armed at the time, but since, I have been carrying my Baretta 92F.
Also, at a public forum in my home county, the county sheriff had the gall, when asked a question about nuisance animals/pets attacking citizens, to say that such a response as Frank’s would be subject to criminal prosecution—that’s when this alleged Republican sheriff in TX lost my vote. The good sheriff won re-election, but without my vote, and that’s okay.
Democrat = Good Shoot
Republican = Crazed Dog Killer
You got it all wrong!
It was ‘BANG! End of story...’
(sorry couldn’t resist 8^)
Right. It could be the man has been hitting on one of the daughters of the dog owner and got her pregnant. The dog owner found out about it and threatened the man. The man started carrying a gun when he walks fearing the dog owner might come after him with a gun. The dog owner thought up a brilliant plan to go after him with his dogs. He looked out his window and saw the man go for a walk and set the dogs loose. The dog owner also voted for Obama. Yeah that's the ticket
Nothing in the article suggests that the dogs were aggressive.
On the other hand many people are fearful of dogs, and two large dogs running at someone who is uncomfortable with dogs may trigger a defensive reaction.
If an owner cares about their dogs they should leash, fence, or supervise them.
You should walk around my neighborhood then. Aggressive Boxers and Beagles abound.
Now we do not know the circumstances.
1. Was he bitten before?
2. Did he ask the man who owns the dogs to keep them penned?
3. Why couldn’t he change his daily route so as to not meet these dogs?
1. what does it matter if he was bitten or not?
2. How the hell is he supposed to know who owns the dogs. Better yet, can he make it to his front porch with 2 dogs hanging on his legs?
3. Change his route huh? Here is your liberal entry into the world of LaLa. Why should he have to change his route? To ignore the problem and let some other person get bit by these dogs while he did nothing about the problem?
4. Your reply to this statement was simply stupid. Don’t you think the man who shot the dogs would have mentioned that?
In summary: You are a true liberal. Rather than to solve the problem you believe you should solve the result of the problem and let the cause of the problem continue time after time after time.
The fact is that the man shot the dog and solved the problem. In addition that, he saved himself from possible harm and worse yet...death.
If similar incidents had previously happened, the person (or persons) at fault are the dogs owners, period. And the shooter was even more within his rights to have taken steps to prepare to protect himself.
My across the street neighbor has a female German Shepherd who is very docile, and a "mop-type" yapper who is very aggressive. Both dogs are allowed to "free run" (despite the local leash laws). The yapper has a habit of attacking people who walk or run down the street, and has bitten one person. I can guarantee that if that little ****** bites me, he is dead whenever I next see him. The Shepherd is a garbage binger, and invariably overturns at least one topless garbage can on pickup day.
Other neighbors have complained, yet these people have taken no action to change things. IOW, they are irresponsible ass holes (and probably voted for Obama).
MY dogs stay in their fenced yard, and only go out on leash.
I get my exercise indoors (treadmill/stepper/weights), but if I were to take up an outdoor run/walk regimen, I WOULD be armed at all times.
It's really as simple as that.
“Was he packin’ heat for humanoids or animals on his daily runs?....I report, you decide.”
You’re kidding, right? He was packing heat because he has a right to “pack heat”.
Nice try Lib.
>>Right. It could be the man has been hitting on one of the daughters of the dog owner and got her pregnant. The dog owner found out about it and threatened the man. The man started carrying a gun when he walks fearing the dog owner might come after him with a gun. The dog owner thought up a brilliant plan to go after him with his dogs. He looked out his window and saw the man go for a walk and set the dogs loose. The dog owner also voted for Obama. Yeah that’s the ticket
What does that ridiculous story have to do with this thread? Read the OP. The dogs left the owner’s property and attacked the walker who had a gun (as many of us do in Florida) on a public street. You don’t wait until your forearm is in a powerful dog’s mouth before you fight back. Again, a Floridian does NOT have an obligation to retreat, especially from a threat that can easily run you down. The five simple words, “I feared for my life” is sufficient cause.
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