Posted on 11/21/2012 6:50:00 AM PST by Cronos
Her dog had got in a fight with another dog in a walkway near her Hampstead home in north London.
The owner of the other dog Wayne Stearman, 41, left the scene and returned with two 10-inch knives before stabbing the bulldog.
One of the blows was so forceful that the knife bent in half in what one witness described as a ‘blood bath’.
Today, Mr Stearman said he knifed the dog because he was only trying to stop it killing his own terrier Monty.
Mr Stearman said: 'The dog’s a lunatic. I’d just stepped out my house and the dog went for him. It wasn’t on a lead. It locked its jaw on to Monty’s head. He’s only little and he’s a donut around other dogs.
'It was like a lion on top of a gazelle. I was screaming for help and the owner was nowhere to be seen.
When she did finally turn up five minutes later all she did was stroke her dog. I was kicking and punching it but it wouldn't budge so I went into the kitchen and got three knives. I'm not proud of what I've done but what was I supposed to do, stand there and let it kill my dog?
it tried to attack his dog three months earlier. 'I literally had to pick Monty up and throw him over the fence because this dog was going to go for him. He's attacked loads of dogs on this estate and he's even gone for a kid outside the Budgens up the road. I’m just glad it happened to me because it was only a matter of time before it killed a kid.
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Pinch collars are actually safer for the dog - but they have to be fit by someone who knows something.
So should a choke, for that matter.
I don’t know what “flanking” is, but I assume it is part of Guard Dog training.
I obedience train with the Koehler method. I don’t know of a single dog over my twenty years of training that has had cervical damage. Prong collars do not harm dogs. I have heard that the Halti Leads cause cervical spine damage.
“Upwards of 80% of dogs x-rayed have cervical damge from improper training.”
One, why were they x-rayed in the first place? Two, what do you think happens when you x-ray the human spine — abnormalities are found. Without symptoms that is meaningless. Three, where is your proof of cause and effect - cervical damage is caused by improper training.
You may call it cruel but that is a conclusion I disagree with. What is cruel is an untrained dog that results in filled shelters and dead dogs. The Koehler method works. It allows a dog more freedom since the result is a reliable dog off leash.
What is "flanking"?
Unfortunately that would not have worked here. The smaller of the two had a locked down grip right by the other dog’s eye, and had the larger dog totally immobilized. The only way she was going to let go was when I pried her mouth open. Once she felt me by her teeth she let go. That is when the other dog jumped in and bit me accidentally.
Ironic. The pit with the grip was probably a former fighting dog. She would not bite a person, and was actually dog friendly. The other dog was 15 pounds heavier and was the aggressor. The little pit was fighting for her life. Both were rescues.
If I had had a breaking stick I would not have been bitten.
http://www.amazon.com/The-K-9-Center-Break-Stick/dp/B004RU81VY
The only way I was ever successful at getting my JRT’s apart when they were fighting and clamped onto each other heads was with water. Not a cup of water but the water hose. I could drag them outside and stick the hose into their mouths till they were choking and they would let go. No amount of hitting, kicking or trying to pry them apart would work.
Your link states: “Recent research including DNA analysis by Dr. Victoria Voith and others has proven that dogs commonly identified as pit bulls are quite often a mix of multiple breeds, so breed identification by appearance alone is now considered to be inaccurate and misleading.” That does not mean that the “American Pit Bull Terrier” (APBT) is a mix of multiple breeds any more than the German Shepherd Dog or other breeds are a “mix.” That is how dog breeding works, with breeders introducing different blood lines to improve their breeds.
If DNA analysis is performed on any dog, even a pure-bred one, similar ambiguous results do appear.
So this article does not prove anything about the origin of the breed. There is likely truth to the assertion that the origins of the APBT stems from the bull fighters of the early nineteenth century, with the addition of Terrier genes. I do not know how much of the Olde English Bulldog is in the bloodline of the modern APBT. Nevertheless the modern APBT breed (UKC) is over 120 years old. Besides, the issue at hand is not the origin of the APBT.
The issue is wether the dog in question here, an American Bulldog, has Pit Bull Terrier in it, NOT wether the APBT has American Bulldog in it. And no one has shown me any evidence that the American Bulldog has APBT in it.
An excellent synopsis and discussion of these issues can be found in Vicki Hearne’s piece “ Lo the American Pit Bull Terrier.” It can be found in her book, “Adam’s Task.” Chapter 9, page 192, you can read a lot of it free on Amazon.
That said, my experience has been that the American Bulldog, as well as the APBT can be quite dog aggressive and should not be allowed contact with other dogs without close supervision.
I agree with you that the American Bulldog is not a Pit Bull. However, in my experience American Bulldogs tend to be dog aggressive and I cannot understand how a responsible dog owner can allow one to wander unleashed.
As far as Petey from the Little Rascals movies, they (yes there were several) were Colby pits, not American Bulldogs.
Confusion occurs as owners of APBT’s will often refer to their pits as “Bulldogs.”
Great story, thanks for sharing.
super happy dog!
Betcha I’d walk around you too if you’d just tried to ram your arm down my throat.
I’m kinda funny that way.
;]
I wouldn’t trade my Herm-Sprenger for the world.
After the e-vets messed up the boy’s Atlas and C3/C4, I had no choice but to look for something that never, ever pulled on his neck.
The prongs are like power steering for your dog and most people are not aware that they work on pressure points, just the same way a mother dog squeezes a pup’s neck to constrain him.
I have several but my favorite is the newest version where there’s a dead link in the back and the prongs are working in opposite directions from that dead link.
I have 2 of the older models in which the prongs all just point one way.
The new one is fantastic.
Mr 100 Pounds of I’ll Do What I Want miraculously transforms into Mr CDX when he’s wearing it.
He has a couple of chokes but they’re mostly snap chokes so I can buy the right size for his neck without it being too small to go over his head.
Leerburg sells a nylon cord version under a name like “aggressive dog collar” or some such thing but they’ve been called snap chokes ever since I can remember.
Herm Sprenger also sells Toggle Chokes.
They work even better than the snap chokes and come in lots of nice finishes.
I never cease to be amazed by people who are trying to work their ‘strong willed’ dog with 5+ inches of “extra” chain and the collar’s all the way down around the dog’s shoulders.
That’s little more than oblivious cruelty that accomplishes nothing.
Only did it twice (once for the wall and once when she went nippy at another puppy) and it has worked -- no wall tearing and now she is nice to all dogs even little yorkie puppies (and gentle too!)
But I think the stern method would be needed for dogs with more rebellious characters
and for folks like me who don't know better, we call them pits until corrected :)
“The new one is fantastic”
Which one is it and where can I get it?
Google is your friend.
http://dogmatters.webs.com/pullingonleaddamage.htm
http://www.dogbreedz.com/dog_articles/dogarticle/dog_neck_spine.htm
http://www.petroglyphsnm.org/covers/collars.html
http://www.labadoption.org/wp-content/uploads/Collars_and_Injuries_2007.pdf
http://peterdobias.com/community/2011/07/dog-collars-can-cause-disease-and-possibly-lead-to-cancer/
http://www.weenieinthewindow.com/dangerous-dog-collars.php
http://www.vetinfo.com/dog-training-collar.html
http://www.all-creatures.org/aro/nl-19990303-apa.html
Even if you disregard all of the above, I am now living with the results of blithering bimbos jerking my then 6 month old 80 pound pup down the e-vet hallway to the x-ray room, thus damaging his Atlas joint and C3/C4 vertebrae.
For the rest of his life, because they ‘knew better than I’, he will have to undergo periodic readjustments with his physical therapist.
This is not opinion, theory or hearsay.
This is *my* dog, injured by collar abuse and gross stupidity.
I have both Koehler books [the 2nd being “The Koehler Method Of Guard Dog Training”] that were bought way back in the 70’s when I didn’t know any better.
I would positively, absolutely -not- apply his methods to my dogs, now.
Condensed to its purest form, the Koehler method is based largely on the principles of negative reinforcement and punishment.
I don’t think so.
As far as Haltis go, halters are for horses, not dogs.
The musculature in a dog’s neck is nothing like that of a horse.
I see the morons at the pet stores using them in their “obedience classes” and I cringe.
If I get a chance, I’ll take a photo of the ‘sudden direction change’ maneuver that forces the dog to either jump to or have its neck snapped and post it.
That one illustration should give everybody a chance to make up their own mind about Koehler.
I never said one bad thing about prongs/pinches.
I *only* use them in training.
They are far superior and more humane than any other method...and I *never* have to ‘snap’ my dogs, even when I do the ‘sudden direction change’.
Keep in mind you’re talking to somebody who’s rescued dozens of ‘hopeless’ Dobermanns from death rows in shelters and handed them over to happy families, perfectly re-trained/rehabbed to be model citizens.
This ain’t my first rodeo.
You’re welcome to stick with Koehler just as I am free to avoid it like the plague.
Flanking is having an agitator seize the tender flank skin of a dog, yank it hard and then jump away, the purpose being to foment reactive rage and aggression in the dog.
Grab the thin skin of your arm in front of your armpit and give a good jerk.
It hurts.
A much kinder, wetter version of a fist down the throat.
A gag is a gag, no matter how you accomplish it.
Terriers...nature’s little mad gladiators.
:)
“But I think the stern method would be needed for dogs with more rebellious characters”
Dog training is really so simple it’s a sin.
All you have to remember is that “aggression breeds aggression”.
If you ‘fight’ your dog, he will fight back.
You get nowhere, fast.
You need to think like a dog and understand what they understand.
I see ‘obedience dogs’ now who are literally prancing along bizarrely because they never ever take their eyes off their handler’s face.
That is just freakish.
There’s a huge difference between an obedient dog and an automaton who is in incapable of independent thought.
The ‘face starers’ are so paranoid about ‘missing a cue’ that they become almost mindless with tension.
I can’t imagine living a life like that.
What if I passed out and I’m just laying there with a dog who’s *still* staring at my face, waiting for directions because it cannot/will not think/act on its own?
My dogs walk beside me, constantly scanning their surroundings for potential problems, reacting to my directional shifts through the leash or contact with my hip, not staring slavishly at my face.
A great example is a seeing eye dog.
They’re not constantly looking at their owner’s face in anticipation of some capricious change of direction or command.
They’re watching *everything* else at once.
“Stern” up against “rebellious” is actually the worst way to go.
An emotionally agitated trainer is an ineffective trainer.
This is it, Herm Sprenger Pinch Collar G22 but you may want to price shop for it.
He behaved well enough on the his old HS prongs but this one makes him positively gentlemanly.
When I first put it on him, he tugged once to ‘test it’ and was utterly a joy to lead the rest of the night.
[and he’s a -really- strong dog]
I think they drink a lot.
LOL
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