Posted on 11/19/2012 2:10:32 PM PST by Jyotishi
London - A retired Church of England priest has been jailed for four years after admitting that he sexually abused three boys between 1983 and 1991.
The case against 75-year-old Rev. Ronald Johns revealed that the bishop of Carlisle had responded to another boy's complaint in 1993 by moving the priest but taking no further action.
(Excerpt) Read more at calgaryherald.com ...
“Boogieman — you were asking who accuses only Catholics, well, Haffast is giving you an example”
Is posting some links on Catholic cases equivalent to saying that only Catholics commit sex abuse? That wouldn’t be my first assumption, but let’s ask Haffast. Is that what you meant to imply when you posted that list of links?
The Pope is “outraged”, why is your outrage misdirected?
http://bible.cc/galatians/4-16.htm
http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm
Your Fruit
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2957470/posts?page=9#9
(and note #10)
““Boogieman — you were asking who accuses only Catholics, well, Haffast is giving you an example”
Is posting some links on Catholic cases equivalent to saying that only Catholics commit sex abuse? That wouldn’t be my first assumption, but let’s ask Haffast. Is that what you meant to imply when you posted that list of links?””
Of course not. Neither was it my intent for you to incur the wrath of Chronos by my initial posting to you. My apologies to you.
My intent was for the Catholic apologists on this thread to take a step back and do some introspection. It appears I was far too indirect, and some can’t be shamed.
First assumptions are rather telling.
really, haffast, your posting history demonstrates otherwise...
are you saying one thing and posting another?
“Chronos” = “Cronos”
Sorry.
furthermore, boogieman, a poster who’s recent posting history consists solely of “posting links on Cathlic cases”, even when, as in this article, it has nothing to do with Catholics is a pretty good example of the type of poster you were asking about...
I really don’t see what the basis for you claim that he only posts that stuff. I just perused his first page of posts, and I see maybe 3 posts out of 30 that are on that topic.
Also, saying the article has nothing to do with Catholics is silly, because Catholic abuse cases were brought up in the comments by a Catholic poster. What, are non-Catholics bigots now for responding to a topic that Catholics bring up? I’m sorry, but if Catholics want to play the “poor me” card and claim some victim status because of people’s attitudes towards the abuse cases, then they should be prepared for people to respond to that with something other than uncritical acceptance.
Hey, no one’s playing “poor me” — you asked for examples of those who see only one side and I gave you this guy’s post as examples. So read it and there you have your example
“Hey, no one’s playing “poor me””
I’m talking about the original poster that started this whole discussion with their sarcastic lament, then took off. I’m not going to bother pinging them, because they made it clear they have no interest in having an actual discussion.
“Hey, no one’s playing “poor me” — you asked for examples of those who see only one side and I gave you this guy’s post as examples. So read it and there you have your example”
CATHOLICS FOR OBAMA (CFO)
“A project of Catholic Democrats, Catholics For Obama (CFO) was formed to promote the presidential candidacy of Senator Barack Obama in 2008. Noting that “Americans are weary of being pitted against one another over issues of race, disparity of wealth, and religion,” CFO stated that “Senator Obama has made bringing Americans together to solve common problems the central theme of his campaign.” One CFO board member called Obama “a presidential candidate of historic accomplishments,” and lauded his background as a 1980s-era community organizer whose efforts “to [economically] empower the lives of thousands of people” had received vital “funding from the U.S. Bishops.” Obama’s employer in the eighties had been the Chicago-based Developing Communities Project, an initiative of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development.”
Though Obama has been an unwavering backer of abortion rights throughout his years in politics—he opposed even the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act as a state senator—CFO says that by the standards of “Catholic Social Teaching,” Obama is technically “pro-life” because he “has spent his entire career striving for the common good.” Specifically, CFO praises the President for supporting “health care programs that will cover all Americans, a living wage for working families, and solutions that allow distressed families to stay in their homes.” Moreover, CFO reasons that Obama’s presidency will ultimately reduce the number of abortions “by promoting health care for pregnant women and better infant care, day care and job training.”
Maintaining that “the state has a positive moral function to promote the common good,” CFO views the expansion of governmental power as a preferred means of solving society’s most pressing problems.
The president and board chairman of CFO is Patrick Whelan, who also serves as president of Catholic Democrats. A member of the pediatrics faculty at Harvard Medical School and a co-director of Pax Christi Massachusetts, Whelan was formerly a national co-director of Catholics for Kerry; he served for three years on the Democratic National Committee’s Faith Advisory Council under Howard Dean; and he volunteered with the Catholic Worker communities in Los Angeles and Houston.
Other CFO board members include:
- Victoria Reggie Kennedy: The widow of the late Senator Edward Kennedy, Victoria is an attorney and an activist who has been an official with numerous groups focused on reducing gun violence and restricting access to firearms.
- Kathleen Kennedy Townsend: The eldest of Robert F. Kennedy’s eleven children, Townsend served two years as deputy assistant attorney general during the Bill Clinton administration, and later as Maryland’s lieutenant governor (1995-2003).
- Thomas P. O’Neill III: O’Neill was lieutenant governor of Massachusetts from 1975-1983. Today he is CEO of O’Neill & Associates, a government and public-relations firm in Boston. (Tip’s son)
- James Roosevelt, Jr.: Formerly the chief legal counsel for the Massachusetts Democratic Party, Roosevelt currently co-chairs the Rules and By-laws Committee of the Democratic National Committee. He is also president and CEO of the Tufts Health Plan. (FDR’s grandson)
- William D’Antonio: This retired professor of sociology was once the CEO of the American Sociological Association.
- Lisa Schare: This Cincinnati-based high-school art teacher serves as state chair of the Catholic Democrats of Ohio. A longtime Democratic Party activist, she did volunteer work for the Clinton/Gore, Gore/Lieberman, and Kerry/Edwards presidential campaigns.
Read full article here:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7727
The Creation of the Religious Left
“When people reflect on the Christian church they generally picture a fellowship of believers whose focus is on *spiritual growth*, *spreading the faith*, and *good works*. These were the church’s primary goals until the last few decades. There is a wide gulf, however, between yesterday’s goals and today’s agenda. The American mainline churches the most prominent of which are the *United Methodists*, the United Church of Christ, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Episcopalians, the American Baptists, many Catholic leaders and orders, and the Lutheran Church in America - have realigned their priorities in a frighteningly *political* direction.”
“A growing percentage of Christian leadership has abandoned its role as *spiritual shepherd* because it no longer considers humanity’s *spiritual welfare* its greatest concern. A great many bishops have rejected *winning souls* in favor of *influencing political issues*. Church bureaucracy now neglects traditional mission in favor of *lobbying for political causes*. In fact, certain sectors of the church now make it their primary business to manufacture, widely distribute, and finance a radical agenda by which they hope *to save the world*. In doing so, they have created the *Religious Left*.”
http://cmpage.org/betrayal/chapt1.html
Walter Rauschenbusch - was a Christian theologian and Baptist pastor (Convert from German Luthern). He was a key figure in the Social Gospel movement which flourished in the United States during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Plus
Rev. Harry F. Ward - the “Red” Dean of Union Theological Seminary - NYC
“In 1929, when Kornfeder was in Moscow, he heard **Harry F. Ward** and his work discussed in the Anglo-American Secretariat, where Ward was portrayed as the architect of the methods by which churches could he infiltrated (”of Communists and fellow travelers working inside the churches, giving themselves the coloring of religious reformers and of getting the church in the social side, away from spiritualism”).”
“In fact, when one studies the methods of the Methodist Federation, I wonder who learned from whom, whether it was Harry F. Ward who learned from Stalin or whether Stalin learned from Harry Wand.”
Plus
Abyssinian Baptist Church - New York
Adam Clayton Powell, Sr. - preached the Gospel of **Social Justice** as pastor of Abyssinian Baptist Church
Plus
Howard Thurman and Martin Luther King
Plus
Bonhoeffer in Harlem - “Deeply interested in **ecumenism**, he was appointed by the World Alliance for Promoting International Friendship through the Churches (a forerunner of the **World Council of Churches**) as one of its three European youth secretaries. “
“Rejecting the objective unalterable moral standards of the Bible, Bonhoeffer proclaimed a situational ethics — that right and wrong are determined solely by the “loving obligations of the moment” “
Plus
Charles A. Briggs - popularized German biblical criticism in the United States, first as a professor at Union and then as its president.
- an important early leader of the Modernist movement.
Plus
Dr. James H. Cone – Charles A. Briggs Distinguished Professor of Systematic Theology at Union Theological Seminary – Founder of Black Liberation Theology”
Plus
Martin Niemöller - “In 1961, he became president of the **World Council of Churches**.[9] He earned the **Lenin** Peace Prize in 1966.”
“ He met with Ho Chi Minh during the Vietnam War and was a committed campaigner for nuclear disarmament.”
Plus
Reinhold Niebuhr - “Christian ethicist”, “Starting as a leftist minister in the 1920s indebted to theological liberalism, he shifted to the new Neo-Orthodox theology in the 1930s, ....”
“....and created the theo-philosophical perspective known as Christian realism.”
“During the 1930s, Niebuhr was a prominent leader of the militant faction of the Socialist Party of America, although he disliked die-hard Marxists by calling their beliefs a religion and a thin one at that.[23] In 1941, he cofounded the Union for Democratic Action, a group with a strongly militarily interventionist, internationalist foreign policy and a pro-union, liberal domestic policy, and was the group’s sole president until its transformation into the Americans for Democratic Action in 1947.[24]”
Plus
Rev. Jeremiah Wright - G** D**n America . Your Christianity is not necessarily our Christianity.
“”Obama was steeped in Islam but knew nothing about Christianity,” Klein says.”
“Klein asked Wright if he converted Obama from being a Muslim into a Christian.”
“He said, I don’t know about that. but I can tell you that I made it easy for him to come to an understanding of who Jesus Christ is and not feel that he was turning his back on his Islamic friends and his Islamic traditions and his understanding of Islam,” Klein says.”
“The second area was Obama’s political philosophy. Wright introduced Obama to Black Liberation theology.”
Plus
President Barrack Hussein Obama - Received more than just “Dreams From My Father”, and his socialist mother, or his communist grandparents, or Communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis, or racist Black Liberationist Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Plus
Union Theological Seminary - “The seminary was founded in 1836 under the Presbyterian Church,[3] and is affiliated with nearby **Columbia University**. In the 20th century, Union was world renowned as a center of **liberal Christianity and neo-orthodoxy**, in addition to being the birthplace of the **Black Liberation Theology**, **Womanist Theology** and **Mujerista Theology** movements.”
Equals:
Anti-colonial - Islamic - Black Liberationist - CommUnitarian President Barack Hussein Obama - A man of “diversity” out for those struggling on the “margins” of life. A change agent for The New World Order.
As found here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2957587/posts?page=39#39
And variations here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2958373/posts?page=33#33
...as well as other threads.
Cronos, a careful reading of this thread displays that your blindness extends to the very core of who you are. It is you who is unable to see both sides.
http://bible.cc/proverbs/16-18.htm
I’ll forgive you. It appears that you know not what you do.
I hope you’ll forgive me.
Wishing you and your family a wonderful Thanksgiving.
I missed a “ping” from Cronos yesterday morning:
Anti-Israel Protestants: more Bible study needed
To: haffast
for you to add to your lists...
19 posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:08:57 AM by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2961390/posts?page=19#19
I “pinged” you for #39 on that thread.
Have a great Thanksgiving.
And this isn't the first time from haffast.
“with their sarcastic lament, then took off. “ — ok. Basically, to answer your question there are posters who just want to say “it’s only caflix” - you haven’t done that.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Double-standards noted. I will make adjustments:
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-7.htm
Happy Thanksgiving!!
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