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It Is Time to Throw the Social Conservatives Out of the GOP (Not)
redstate.com ^ | November 9th, 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 11/10/2012 8:05:19 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Viennacon

“Conservatives support the constitution, and the constitution guarantees LIFE. Women don’t have some sort of special right to murder their own children.”

Well put.


81 posted on 11/10/2012 11:05:27 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: neverdem
Big government social conservatism is what he's tiptoeing around actually advocating. It sounds like a conflict in terms to me, as immersed in the marriage of social and fiscal conservatism as I am. This would be the Huckabee or Santorum sort of Republican.

I'll have to admit I don't like it. I've never trusted Huckabee despite religious common ground. I was prepared to support Santorum when it appeared that he was the solid alternative to Romney in the primary, but only because my distrust of him was not as great as my distrust of Romney. He seemed sincere, for a politician at least, lol.

However, looking at the tremendous influx of Mexicans and other Hispanics, as well as the social conservatism of churchgoing black people that anyone familiar would have to acknowledge, it does seem at this point that ditching the fiscal conservatives would be the far more electable proposition, as opposed to the constant harangue about ditching social conservatives.

If anything, it highlights just who's really driving the bus, establishment delusions notwithstanding. They're neither fiscal nor social conservative, they just play one or the other depending upon the audience come election season.

82 posted on 11/10/2012 11:13:50 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Drew68

Take your abortionist/homosexualist b/s elsewhere. It’s not welcome here.


83 posted on 11/10/2012 11:14:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: GeronL

“A lot of that “younger generation” will grow up at some point”

Nope, the point of legalized pot is to help forget about growing up.


84 posted on 11/10/2012 11:18:55 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: blaquebyrd

I believe that the ones who want to invade and tranvaginally probe vaginas - specifically, sucking out the nascent life growing therein - are the Democrats. Get the Democrats the heck out of womens’ uteruses...


85 posted on 11/10/2012 11:20:07 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Utmost Certainty
"GOP doesn’t have to get rid of social conservatism entirely… but it’s going to have to moderate stances on abortion, gay marriage, etc."

Been there, done that.
86 posted on 11/10/2012 11:20:33 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: GeronL

Amazing how THEY were so worried that Conservatives would not vote for THEIR man and even more worried that WE would start a third party and now after THEY lost the election THEY want to throw US out of the GOP.

Somebody’s trying to save face.

ps: I know this is Reuters but today on AM Radio I heard the same thing from so called Weekend Business Republican radio hosts.


87 posted on 11/10/2012 11:20:55 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: Drew68
So how does losing elections help advance conservative values?

Maybe you should direct that question to Mitt Romney, John McCain and the RNC. Not advocating conservative values appears to be more of a loser than advocating them.

Given the choice, social liberals vote for the genuine article, seems to me. They don't believe a Republican who is liberal on social issues any more than social conservative Republicans do.

88 posted on 11/10/2012 11:22:51 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: dfwgator
Obama’s brilliant “Romneysia” term stopped Mitt’s momentum dead in its’ tracks, it’s what many of us here feared would happen if he were the nominee, his past history that he tried to suppress would catch up to him.

And Romney's ardent supporters ignored this. Liberals had a great time with Romneysia tho Obama had the same flip flopping issue.

89 posted on 11/10/2012 11:23:39 PM PST by RginTN
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To: neverdem

Bush
Dole
Bush
Bush
McCain
Romney

I don’t get it. Take one look at that list and tell me these people were too Conservative to win. LMAO

McCain flat out said he hated Conservatives, or something to that effect. What am I missing here?

If they purge the Conservatives from the Republican party, they’ll have 20% of the registered voters remaining in the Republican party.

Now there’s a path to something. I’m just thinking it’s more like the city dump, than victory.


90 posted on 11/10/2012 11:24:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 47 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Sadly I heard this non-sense on AM Radio today by so called republican 3rd rate weekend radio hosts.

Suddenly RINO Romney is OUR loss!?!

They’re trying to save face and blame their loss on Conservatives. What a crock!


91 posted on 11/10/2012 11:25:33 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Bush
Dole
Reagan
Bush
Bush
McCain
Romney

Now that PBS survived maybe the RINOs would like to play the game “which one does NOT belong”


92 posted on 11/10/2012 11:27:16 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

“It’s one thing to be pro-life, but they ventured where most pro-life politicians don’t even dare to venture ...RAPE”

and theodicy.
But there is a problem with being off the edge, in general. Remember when Joe Miller talked about the Berlin Wall as a model for border security?


93 posted on 11/10/2012 11:28:07 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: DoughtyOne
Here's an even better list:

Dole
Reagan
McCain
Romney

Now that PBS survived maybe the RINOs would like to play the game “which one does NOT belong”

94 posted on 11/10/2012 11:28:50 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

“it’s going to have to moderate stances on abortion, gay marriage, etc.”

. . .

The GOP can do that, but the goal post will just be moved.

In a few years they’ll be considered radical SoCons if they don’t support forcing clergy to perform both gay marriages and partial birth abortions.


95 posted on 11/10/2012 11:30:36 PM PST by Nickname
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To: Drew68

The RINOs lost. Not the Conservatives. Your man is now in the list with Dole and McCain and was not even good enough to be a Bush HW Bush who at least won one term (thanks to Reagan and Reagan alone)


96 posted on 11/10/2012 11:31:47 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: tsowellfan
There are threads here on FR within the last couple of days (check SunkenCiv's recent posts, or mine; I briefly tangled with him before it became apparent we were in agreement on some of the important points!) which detail the conservative Christians' voting for Romney.

The other point is that if social liberalism conquers ALL, then why did Obama lose six or eight million votes himself?

Cheers!

97 posted on 11/10/2012 11:31:51 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: gusty

“Paul Ryan couldn’t articulate an argument if his life depended on it. He talked in talking points and non-sequators(sic)”

That’s what happens when you are VP and must tow the line of the head of the ticket. You can’t be yourself. The same was true for Sarah Palin.


98 posted on 11/10/2012 11:32:27 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: neverdem

More canard about how socially conservative Mexicans are

Really.. ..50-60% out of wedlock births

High crime

Mordida culture

Oh yeah regular Citizens Council they are

Who knew?

Chalk this writer off to yet another stupid white guy


99 posted on 11/10/2012 11:34:53 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: neverdem
"What’s really going on here is that the people who voted Republican, but who disagree with pro-lifers and defenders of marriage, have decided it must be those issues. & quot;

Which planet did you learn politics, logic, and humility on??

95 or so percent of those in FR oppose abortion on demand, abortion as afterthought birth control, and abortion as means to avoid responsibility. Possibly the same percentage believe that there are times and circumstances in which it might be the most appropriate action (see rape, incest, and confirmed medical exigency).

On the other hand, likely 99 percent of those on FR agree totally in fiscal responsibility, social responsibility, mutual respect, and a basic understanding of human interaction.

Some participants may have missed out on the respect and human interaction parts.

"They can’t see how what happened actually happened unless it happened because the issues on which they disagree with the base played a role.

Que?

The only thing I see happening here is someone seriously irate about nearly everything (Lil Abner I believe) and intent on making the most of it.

So go ahead and shun alliances, demand orthodoxy, and pretend that "they" are responsible for every set back...that will show 'em!

100 posted on 11/10/2012 11:36:42 PM PST by norton
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