Obama Won Ohio in 2012 With Fewer Votes Than McCain Received in 2008

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[Arthurio]

Obama Won Ohio in 2012 With Fewer Votes Than McCain Received in 2008

Ohio 2008: John McCain 2,677,820 votes (46.8%)

Ohio 2012: Barack Obama 2,672,302 (50.1%)

Source for 2008 Results: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Ohio,_2008

Source for 2012 Results: http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results

Romney doing worse than McCain (nationwide) was noted on some other threads, but some have cautioned that many votes still remain to be counted. But Ohio is 100% in, so we can make a very easy and stark comparison.

[LS]

This is just baffling. I saw with my own eyes the lines, and heard a continual stream of comments from other people in "red" precincts talking about the lines in Warren and Butler and Hamilton Counties.

I think I may have an idea as to why the disconnect. It occurred to me this morning when I was re-thinking my voting experience yesterday. All of the precincts that voted at the same location used to go to different tables and had their own voting booths. Yesterday, they combined four (in our case) and put all booths against a single wall. I'm not sure, but I think they REDUCED the number of machines, which would slow the process down. In addition, rather than four women taking IDs and checking names, it was only two.

I'm looking into this. It would explain the so called "turnout" when in fact there wasn't any.

[funfan]

Ya think?

[gore_sux]

Turnout looks like it was terrible for Romney. 4 million less than Bush 2004, 2 million less than McCain.

Obama meanwhile is at John Kerry levels, making him beatable.

[dirtymac]

Are you one of those true conservatives that stayed home and did not vote in this election? Just asking

[God luvs America]

the GOTV effort turned out to be a myth yesterday...i voted and will continue to vote yet when the GOP calls me for money i tell them the same thing every time- when you start fighting for me the way i fight for you then i will donate....seems some conservative voters felt the same and decided not to vote yesterday....

fact is the GOP has offered little in the way of results or alternatives the past two years...some of this shit is easy- boehner should tell obama tomorrow “we will roll back the Bush tax cuts in return for a repeal of obamacare”- its win/win for the GOP yet to simple for them to try and they probably consider it a bit dangerous...

[chicken head]

Also go compair the peeps at sarahs RNC 08 speech to mittens and ryans— not even close!! Sarah wins hands down.. If the GOP runs liberals and moderate canidates, they will loose everytime..If eveyone would rally around Palin and stick to her she would win in 2016— I really believe that— I said way early on mitt was gonna loose cause hes a liberal

[Mike Darancette]

Looks like Evangelical Christians stayed home.

[WashingtonSource]

Let’s not forget the Communist Democrats specifically set out to depress the white conservative vote.

[dila813]

anti-Romney?

We just weren’t pro-Romney

We didn’t hoist this candidate on anyone, the Pro-Romney people are totally responsible for the narrative that only Romney can win.

He did worse, let that sink in.....worse

And McCain was the moderate of the moderates in the Congress. Mr. Moderate himself.

Learn already

[snarkytart]

The state has rebublican govenor and congress. Makes no sense. Also didn’t OH vote down Obamacare? What also doesn’t make sense is the ralley’s for Romney in OH were reported to be much larger, early voting was said to be up among Republicans, and there were tons of tweets of increased turnout in Republican counties
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Its white guilt plain and simple. Thats why none of this adds up and never will. Like you mentioned OH is more of a red state now than in 2008 yet re-voted for a man who has shown himself to be way far left, hurt the economy and passed horrible HC bill most people in OH rejected.

Nobody wanted to see the light skinned, non-threatening, seemingly “Nice” first black man as President go down as a failure in history. This is something that is so engrained in this culture people partaking in it don’t realize the patronizing way they treat minorities.

Thats why all the polls seem to say YES THIS ECONOMY SUCKS, YES ROMNEY WOULD DO BETTER AT FIXING IT, YES I HATE OBAMACARE, but went and voted for Mr. Weepy anyway.
Sure those tears were fake to illicit sympathy.

[dila813]

I am sure both are true

BUT, when polled, the same people that voted for Obama were asked if they wanted larger or smaller government, smaller government won by 10%.

That means Romney was the wrong guy to be the candidate.

[cherry]

keep up the pretext...that conservatives didn't "turn" out...

every bit of evidence points to a vote scam and I dare just one ballsy pub to impound those election machines NOW....

[KavMan]

Mitt should’ve had Palin on the campaign trail with him

[chicken head]

Yes.. and i’m not the only one— lots of peeps i know didnt vote because of Romney— I did vote in 08 due to support of palin whom i really liked and connected with me. I really hated Mccain, but loved palin and her message. Romney makes me wanna puke..Some peeps can pull the handle for anybody, but not me..when he didnt invite palin to speak at the RNC made me very very angry

[riri]

Thanks for your posts/work the last few weeks. Maybe I am odd but I would rather have had a hopeful period than just a long, dark road into the abyss. Maybe it’s denial but it was a happier place for a few weeks. :)

[TexasCajun]

Obama Won Ohio in 2012 With Fewer Votes Than McCain Palin Received in 2008

There, fixed.

[socialism_stinX]

The low turnout doesn't make much sense. The Mormon issue could have been a minor factor, but there are probably at least two other bigger causes of low turnout for Romney in Ohio: 1) Obama's vicious smear machine worked quite effectively at dampening enthusiasm for Romney. It's tough running against a campaign that has absolutely no concern about telling the truth about anything. 2) A quiet background factor may be that many people in Ohio have been able to refinance their mortgages this year at ultra-low rates under 5%, which has put more spending money in their pockets and is making them stop thinking about our exploding national debt and higher taxes in the future. Ohio didn't have the big housing price boom that occurred in the sunbelt, and thus fewer people are under water on their mortgages and there has probably been a lot of mortgage refinancing at low rates in Ohio and PA.

But when our economy slides back into recession early next year after all the new tax increases kick in to pay for Obamacare and more handouts, then those same people who stayed home will start worrying about losing their jobs and start thinking..."oh geez, I should have gone out and voted for Mitt! He knows how to manage our economy."

[rfp1234]

It's not who casts the votes that matters. It's who counts shreds the voter registration forms of the opposition party.

[Wuli]

O.K. lets parse it out

there were 5,721,837 total Ohio votes in 2008 and 5,333,936 total votes in 2012, for a reduced voter turnout of 387,901

in 2008 McCain got 2,677,820 (46.8%)
and Obama got 3,044,017 [(2,677,820/.468) = 5,721,837 * .532 = 3,044,017]

in 2012 Romney got 2,661,364 votes
[(2,672,302/50.1)= 5,333,396 * .499 = 2,661,364]
to Obama’s 2,672,302
YET IT WAS TO 49.9% in a low turn out year to McCains 46.8%

the good part is Romney got a higher % of the vote,

but something about Ohio is so blue?? that Obama could lose 371,715 votes and still win

he lost 371,715 votes, reducing his margin to 50.1% from 53.2% last time

Romney lost 16,456 votes below McCain, but raised the GOP %

total lower turnout - 387,901
less votes for Obama - 371,715
less votes GOP - 16,456
which means third party gained 279 votes

real lesson here

Ohio IS (or at least has been) a very blue state.

So what kept 95% of the low turnout to be low turnout for Obama, compared to last time, but NOT translate any of it into GOP votes; which is what I think GOP pollsters were thinking.

But Fraud on the scale of 300K plus I think would be hard to find. One would think lower trrnout would not be so lopsided, and that would actually mean an even lower vote for Romney.

Something is just weird - to me - about the Ohio electotrate.

[petitfour]

I go with fraud. Isn’t Ohio the state that updated uncertified software into a lot of voting machines.

Publish the code used in all the machines. In each machine. In Florida and in Ohio.

And what happened in Virginia with people showing up to vote and learning they had already voted?