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2012 LIVE Official Recriminations Thread I
11/7/2012 | Sam PAine

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:28:34 AM PST by sam_paine

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To: rightwingintelligentsia

He’ll blame Congress. That meme has already started.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:11 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Revolutions are not born out of success, they are born out of despair)
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To: NonLinear
Requiem for the Croppies

And in the long run, where did all that fighting get the Irish?

22 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:15 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
Romney RINO wasn't conservative enough to really win Purple PA and Ohio!

...or with their own home states:

Massachusetts
Michigan
Wisconsin

23 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:35 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: sam_paine

Yep I’m dumbfounded


24 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:53 AM PST by Ravi
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To: sam_paine

On merits, Obama should have lost against anyone. I think Romney did as good a job in the campaign as could be hoped.

Count me in as another one who thinks the real issue is that the Takers may have reached the tipping point.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:57 AM PST by beagleone
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To: sam_paine; Ravi; SoftwareEngineer; Perdogg
Let me be the first. Ravi and SE did a helluva job with the data. We all worked with numbers we had and urged everyone to see something different in those numbers. No one did.

Personally I think Romney ran a very good campaign, and the proof is that we got killed in the Senate and didn't do well in the House either. So the collapse was across the board.

Rather than recriminations I would suggest a more serious soul searching that tells us that this is NOT a "center right country" and not even "center left" but a LEFT WING country for now. It looks a lot like England in the decade before Thatcher. Worse, we have officially lost the young (if by a smaller margin than in 08) and that means they STILL are not getting it about the debt, unemployment, and their future.

26 posted on 11/07/2012 4:41:22 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: sam_paine

Romney got the conservative vote. He didn’t get enough of the so-called independent vote. The rest of the votes, many representative of the demographic shift of the last 20 years, were beyond the reach of any Republican candidate for president deserving of the name and will remain so, especially with the naked partisanship of the MSM. Liberal Republican though he might be, he was too conservative for them. We have crossed the Rubicon, the point of no return. We can’t out-Democrat the Democrats not should we. The future is bleak but keep on fighting.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 4:42:01 AM PST by luvbach1 (Jail to the Chief!!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
It was simple: Too many stupid, dependent people who vote.

Meanwhile conservatives are birth-controlling themselves into oblivion.

28 posted on 11/07/2012 4:42:19 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: ari-freedom

Exactly. He was our John Kerry. Nothing more nothing less.
No other candidate in the primaries would have even been this close.
It is what it is. This country is no longer the republic as founded.
No clue where we go from here. Perhaps we wait until the HNIC forces his nation crushing policies down our throats, then perhaps the shootiing war will FINALLY start.. But I doubt it, it would interfere with the new episodes of Honey Booboo and Too Fat to F*ck
As for me. I’ll go through the motions.
The population has changed way too much to recover, so unless the GOP does a massive overhaul they will never win a presidential election again.
This isn’t a condemnation of R/R or us. It just is what it is.
The population has changed, and the majority feels it is the govts job to take care of them in all aspects of life.

We are Europe, thus we are now everything we fought to free ourselves from less than 3 centuries ago.

Again, it is what it is.
And that’s the way it is.
So long FR.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 4:42:29 AM PST by JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain
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To: PMAS
I don't believe that's true at all. Romney won handily among seniors -- even in a place like Florida.

One of the startling numbers I saw from an exit poll last night was that Obama only won something like 56% of the voters in the 18-29 age group. These people were the core of his support in 2008. They lost interest in Obama because a lot of the 18-22 year-olds in 2008 are now college graduates with no jobs today.

What really happened here is that Obama's base of misfits and losers was supplemented by large numbers of gainfully employed middle-class people who saw no reason to change things after four years. Think auto workers in Ohio and Federal employees in Virginia, folks.

30 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:03 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Theophilus

Well, they are blue states.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:09 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: sam_paine

Elections have consequences.

Watch for a federal sales tax ....GST...its coming, so bend over and take it like a MAN!/S

The GOP must die.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:27 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: All

All those “historic turnout”, “PA is in play”, “WI is in play”, “MN is in play”.. should get it through their thick skulls that those states are lost in the electoral reality.
it was and has always been about Ohio. It will most likely be about Ohio in the next presidential election too.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:27 AM PST by newnhdad (USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
hello out there..the whole thing was rigged...

there are polls and there are polls and there are internal polls...

the pundits saw the internal polls and were satisfied that they were looking good....

that is why Morris and Beck and others talked of a landslide for Romney...

but no one figured about Soros and his project to enroll each secretary of state into his "plan"....all I know is that IMO the whole thing was a fix, from day one....not only the voting machines, but the whole shebang.....

34 posted on 11/07/2012 4:44:00 AM PST by cherry
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To: Ravi
Yep I’m dumbfounded

But of course our petty disagreement didn't matter in the end. The only poll that matters was taken yesterday.

35 posted on 11/07/2012 4:44:00 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The GOP-e will. He was well-paid to false-flag cheerlead for them. He did his job.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 4:44:55 AM PST by Carriage Hill (America - a great idea while it lasted... it's over.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

two states with huge numbers of active and retired military went to Obama. Ohio and Florida. They already know about Benghazi. I really try to figure out how Romney going after Obama full steam about Benghazi would have gained him any votes in those states, among the groups that seemingly voted for Obama. Hispanics and women.

The country is on the dole, the have nots have won.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 4:45:18 AM PST by swpa_mom
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To: Alberta's Child

Did Romney match McCain’s numbers for seniors ?


38 posted on 11/07/2012 4:45:18 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Theophilus

Sandy might just have been the tipping point.

And Obama proved again that he can say anything and not be held accountable. Call him if you can’t get what you want from the feds. his phone should be melted. Not.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 4:46:54 AM PST by Thebaddog (Remember, Obama said he's only 60% done with his agenda.)
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To: ari-freedom
"Well, they are blue states."

Let's stop letting "blue states" choose our nominee.

40 posted on 11/07/2012 4:47:10 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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