Posted on 11/06/2012 9:40:19 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
Right or wrong, the GOP is going to pinpoint a "latino problem", which will move Rubio to the front of the line.
You can't make exact comparisons, but this election is similar to 2004....Bush won...shocking the left, and the response was to go with the young guy who was different. There WILL be Obama fatigue by 2016, and the next person can't blame Bush any longer.
The GOP was never going to get the black vote, but they CAN get the latino vote. They are far less monolithic, and are more Christian than your typical white lefty. I also present there are a lot of conservative, hard working latinos who will more readily break from the Democratic fold than blacks....if the case is made to them.
Is Rubio automatically the GOP's Obama? Of course not. He might be, but whether he is or not, this, IMO, is likely to be what occurs.
The Demographic bomb is here. Romney just generated a close election in a DEMOCRAT +6 election....I think we'll look back on this and be amazed Romney got it this close.
The takeaway by the GOP, IMO, rightly or wrongly, will be a conservative, religious latino would flip the entire demographic bomb on its head.
ESPECIALLY if in 2016 the Dems go back to a white guy or woman. Of course, they might go Latino themselves...we'll have to see.
This is going to dramatically change the immigration debate, and I think the GOP is now going to decide to go all in, embrace "reform" and start trying to bring Christian Latinos into the GOP.
Rove made the Christian White Voter the centerpiece for Bush.
Going forward the GOP will try to flip the demographic wave on its head, and do a judo move.
Again...I am not saying this is right or wrong, or what SHOULD happen... it is just a forecast of what I think WILL happen.
One thing is sure, there is a decent chance to attract religious Latinos as opposed to religious blacks.
Now...will the GOP move left to do it?
The demographic wave is here, instead of moving left I hope the GOP makes the conservative case to that wave.
Get ready. Immigration reform will be Obamas NEXT BIG THING...and the GOP might just get onboard the train. For good or bad, for better or worse.
I fear a shift left. I think you can bring in Latinos AND go conservative...but I'm not sure they'll do it that way.
I just hope Rubio is the real deal...because I think he is the "next guy".
Palin 2016I doubt she'll ever be President.
She is, however, a prime candidate to lead the Resistance Movement.
Let’s face it there is a significant number of Americans who want someone else to take care of their wants and needs. The GOP has its share of problems but in all honesty I don’t know if Newt or Rick S could have won tonight either. There’s too many moochers and freeloaders out there plus they all have that Democrat inbred hatred for successful people. Who knows what the next four years will be like but I think we all get the sense this is the calm before the storm.
“The GOP will jump hard Left... Further abandoning & alienating the Conservative base.”
Actually the opposite. The RINOs and the blue dogs have been weeded out and we have in Congress a more sharply divided set of folks.
“Look for a more liberal bend on abortion,”
...at least training on how to get out trouble when discussing rape.
“.. and some tolerance for same-sex marriage to start.”
Its won in Maine for one, so ...
not enough obviously but up 4 points from 2008 ..55%
but down 4 points from midterms?..62%
i notice a tiny crack in white support in conservative areas for milquetoast Romney...but in states where it didn't matter...they were a lock for Romney
the problem was the white vote elsewhere
and....drum roll:
LATINO VOTE UP 7% ACROSS THE BOARD THIS TIME FOR OBAMA
I think folks I just found the turd in the punchbowl
laid there by taco bell
damn sumbeaches
whatever happened to coming here and actually being proud to be here and not being on the dole and despising the host culture that let yer sorry ass in?
how many folks here know the fact that over half of all legal immigrants here even after 20 years take government assistance?...forget the illegals
there is yer problem
this ain't some sepia colored ancestry.com picture we are talking here
we have opened our welfare gates to the world...PARALYZED BY FEAR OF BEING CALLED RACIST AND DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM
and now they own us electorally
and in just 35 years or so
we are so weak...including many here
FWIW:
Fundamentally, we need to work on taking back education and the culture.
Specific to this election, we didn’t have a really good candidate and we had a disunited primary. I think Romney did as well as any of the other primary candidates would have done.
Good candidate(s) and unity were the short term reasons. Education and culture are the deep factors.
“Great - just what we need, the other party also playing race and probably gender politics to get their vote.”
They do it BECAUSE IT WORKS.
That’s all Obama had - so he built his coalition. Blacks, latinos, women, single, the dependents, upscale progressives, etc.
It was pathetic, transparent, but we should have busted up the game pronto.
Yes and no.
We have no clear path right now. And quite a lot of us were only supporting our candidate because he was nominated.
A (lot) of us would have strongly preferred someone else.
Sure get mad but start thinking right now.
How can we change things. Real change. Not just someone new. A new path. A new way of moving forward.
A new option.
Progress.
The problem is that we MUST blunt the staggering amount of illegal Immigration and to do so we MUST close the Southern Border and then deal with those who are here already.
Romney lost because he sat back on his heels and let Obama destroy his character and reputation on the Bain attacks and never said a damn word. He should have also hung the Libra massacre around Obama’s neck, but he let him slide.
Romney the RINO lost this on his own. Even with the media against him he could have taken out this worthless piece of cow manure, but let him have a pass. To hell with Romney and the horse he rode in on, and to hell with Rove and the rest of the RINOs who have managed to destroy the conservative wing of the GOP and NOW destroy the Tea Party.
If the GOP does not quit running the “next in line”, they will never again capture the White House.
If we want it right, the only course is secession. Having lived most of my life in IL, I know what happens when the democrat machine has full control. There will never be another fair election. If their power is threatened, they’ll just redraw the district maps. They have abused the system beyond repair. It’s over. Forget about the constitution. We have to seek independence. My guess is most folks don’t have the stomach for that. So, we’re stuck with a broken clock. I know I won’t vote for another RINO, which seems to be all the GOP wants to offer.
Rino Rubio, NO THANKS. I perfer Mike Pence (who’ll be a seasoned Governor by that time). And certainly not Chris (Bendict Arnold) Christie either..!
Why doesn’t everyone decide to repent, pray, fast and preach, not just for a day or month, but for a life time. Nothing can help except God. Nothing except God ever could. How far do we all have to sink before we understand this? We are giving up everything when we put Him on the back burner and politics etc. on the front burner. Time to come alive in Christ and set the world on fire.
GIVE IT A REST!
I don’t believe that Rubio is eligible to run. He was of foreign parents.
“but they CAN get the latino vote. They are far less monolithic, and are more Christian than your typical white lefty.”
Thanks for the laugh, Elephant. Sounds to me like you know few latinos in real life.
Come out to Orange County, CA and I’ll take you down to Santa Ana and you can try out your theory. At least it will make for an amusing youtube video.
Cali is irrelevant in EC terms. There actually is a difference between the FL situation and then VA etc. Bush won 40% of the vote in 2004, and the right mix in FL, VA, OH is what needed, not what works in Cali and NY.
That alone makes it far different than the black vote.
Also, my main point is what the GOP WILL do, not what they should do. That is up for debate.
“Young Millennials like me aren’t religious, or social conservatives either. Being so will probably put me to the far-right as time goes by.”
What will happen is that you and your generation will grow up and put aside the ignorance of youth.
I hope so, but I’ve run out of hope at this point.
I already am an outlier for attending mass somewhat regularly, and supporting Catholic social teaching on marriage, abortion, etc.
It would be a miracle for the tide of Agnosticism/Atheism to recede, and people suddenly start to believe in moral absolutes and fiscal conservatism.
I second what you said, with enthusiasm.
“I have no problem with the strategy of appealing to Latino’s. They are a natural Republican electorate.”
No they aren’t.
I live in SoCal where we actually have a lot of latinos. I work with latinos and have latino friends. During the 50 years that I have lived here latinos have displaced white Americans and they are now the majority.
Over those same years Orange County has gone from being ‘the most conservative county in the US’ to being a county that will elect Loretta Sanchez to Congress.
I continue to be astounded at the nonsense about latinos that gets passed around here, most of it by people whose contact with latinos is limited to going to Taco Bell.
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