The U.S. Election is a Referendum on Civilization

The American Thinker ^ | November 6, 2012 | Daren Jonescu

[Cincinatus' Wife]

That the election of November 6, 2012, has the potential to be a definitive moment in American history is now almost a truism. This conception may sound overblown to the ignorant and disengaged, but in fact it is a great understatement. As America is the only nation left in which freedom is still on the ballot, this definitive U.S. election means even more, in truth, than most voters may realize. It is a referendum on the survival of modern civilization.

......if the rest of the world were allowed to vote, Barack Obama would win in a Saddam-like landslide.

Throughout what is left of the civilized world, Obama's superiority to Mitt Romney, and in general Democrats' superiority to Republicans, is the default assumption, regarded as beyond question. .....one who dares to admit thinking the United States of America a very agreeable proposition is regarded as either an infidel or a dope.

These two presuppositions -- that the Democrats are the good guys, and that America is essentially a bad thing -- should always be understood as a pair. Together, they reveal exactly what the modern Democratic Party and the American media have spent decades trying to hide from their fellow citizens -- namely, that to prefer the Democrats is to dislike America......

....A man is hanging from a cliff, with only his fingers still gripping solid rock. The prevailing impetus is all downward, but the man continues to dangle in one place as long as that grip holds out. If he lets go, however, his fall will be short and decisive.

Modern civilization is that man. America is his final, desperate grip. On November 6, 2012, that man will either be left alone to continue his brave, heartbreaking struggle for another day, or a boot will come down on his fingers.....

[Elsie]

Better to have a moral Mormon than an immoral or posing Christian.

Possibly true; in the political realm.

But there ARE bigger fish to fry.

[MrB]

My 5 yr old asked me last night “what if 0bama wins the election tomorrow”.

“Well, honey, that just steps up the timeline quite a bit.”

Romney’s election won’t prevent the collapse, just delay it for 2-5 years instead of 2-5 months.

[Wpin]

Your misconception of the Mormon faith...sad really.

[wonkowasright]

So many. Any about how the native americans are going to come to rescue us ?

[Elsie]

Your misconception of the Mormon faith...sad really.

And what might that be?

[Elsie]

Any about how the native americans are going to come to rescue us ?

None that I know of from the Ute and/or Paiute tribes...

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I do not feel threatened by it because I don’t think that they will be attempting to convert by the sword.

 

The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,

and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,

 has long been ignored, “You didn’t see the Indians beheading the Mormons.”

 

-- Historian Robert Carter

[Elsie]

Your misconception of the Mormon faith...sad really.

Yup; it IS sad when there's a lot of that misconception stuff going on.

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[MEG33]

Just Do It!
Show Up And VOTE.
Vote Romney/Ryan

[Wpin]

Yawn, you are truly making yourself an irrelevant person...I really do not give a damn what crap you produce...I lived in Salt Lake for 13 years and I KNOW Mormons...I would put the average Mormon up against the average non-Mormon any day as being more ethical, compassionate, and decent. People like you are despicable in their attempt to oppress people who believe differently than you do. Get over it chump.

[MHGinTN]

Can a false prophet establish a true religion from God? ... And perhaps you can help me out here: I read that Joseph Smith taught the god of MormonISM was once a mana and had a father, and had to earn the attributes of godhood and be apponted the god over the earth by a council of gods; do you happen to know the god of MormonISM’s father’s name?

[MHGinTN]

Can a false prophet establish a true religion from God? ... And perhaps you can help me out here: I read that Joseph Smith taught the god of MormonISM was once a man and had a father, and had to earn the attributes of godhood and be apponted the god over the earth by a council of gods; do you happen to know the god of MormonISM’s father’s name?

[Wpin]

Go play somewhere else...you truly disgust me...I have no interest in what you think or what you do. You are nothing more than a pig of an individual...really.

[MHGinTN]

Well, that about sums it up ...

[MHGinTN]

;^) Have nice day

[MHGinTN]

From your profile page: Joshua 24:15 New International Version (NIV) 15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.

Would that God of the Israelite's ancestors have taught the following?...

In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through--Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)

In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)

"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132).

"Some people are troubled over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith.... The matter that seems such a mystery is the statement that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and death and is an exalted man. This is one of the mysteries.... The Prophet taught that our Father had a Father and so on. Is not this a reasonable thought, especially when we remember that the promises are made to us that we may become like him?" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.10, 12).

In answering my question to you, it is clear that THE God of the Israelites' ancestors is clear in Isaiah 43:10 ("Before me no God was formed and neither will there be one after me"), and in John 17:3 (There is only ONE true God) ...

So, can you give me the name of the god of MormonISM's father before him, or even one name of the council of gods who appointed the god of MormonISM? ... Do you really believe such a false prophet as Joseph Smith would used by God to establish 'the one true restored Chrsitianity'?

[MEG33]

Just Do It!
Show Up And VOTE.
Vote Romney/Ryan

[MHGinTN]

AGREE! I already did it. It was raining in my area today, but I rolled in ot the school to votes anyway. A Lady at the entry asked if she could help me and I said it wouldn’t be necessary. She noted that I must have wanted to vote pretty badly since I was rolling around int he rain. I told her it was that important, that we the people are the Sovereigns and voting is our duty as sovereigns. And whn we allow vote fraud to determine the outcome of elections then we have allowed ourselves to be usurped; only if we vote in overwhelming numbers can we nullify the criminal fraud. Four more years of little barry bastard fraud will end the Republic. It’s gotten that acute.

[Elsie]

People like you are despicable in their attempt to oppress people who believe differently than you do.

THIS is your reply to #47???

[Elsie]

...I would put the average Mormon up against the average non-Mormon any day as being more ethical, compassionate, and decent.

What has this to do with the HERESY that calls itself MORMONism?

[MEG33]

VOTE!!
"Time For R and R"

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