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Why we won’t kill the Imperial System
Mobile Hydraulic Tips ^ | November 2, 2012 | Paul Heney

Posted on 11/05/2012 2:14:59 PM PST by null and void

Back in grade school, we were told that the Imperial System was a thing of the past, that eventually we’d be living the Metric System life, with all it’s base-10 logic built right in. We’d be just like the rest of the world. But those predictions have proven about as accurate as the flying cars and moon colonies that we all imagined we’d be enjoying in the year 2012.

Occasionally, the issue bubbles up and people argue back and forth about why we haven’t gone Metric, but I think it’s all about inertia. There would be a huge intellectual cost in moving to a new system—training ourselves to think of temperatures in Celsius when we’re leaving home and trying to decide on whether to grab a jacket. Straining to remember what kilometers per liter really comes down to, when we’re used to a lifetime of miles per gallon. Attempting to determine whether you’re losing enough weight, as you stare at the scale showing a strange number of kilograms.

While there are economic costs—heck, just think of the signage issues on our roads—they should be lower today than they would have been a generation ago. Many consumer products in this digital age already allow us to toggle between Imperial and Metric units. And the prevalence of smartphones means that no one has an excuse not to have a conversion app (or at least a calculator) on them at virtually all times.

What this issue comes down to is, as I said, inertia. It’s laziness. No one wants to be the generation that has to juggle two systems in their heads all the time. If we switched today, my kids would grow up pretty much thinking in Metric and would have no problem. But I feel like I’d forever be doing that calculation in my head. Even if I knew 28° C was a nice warm summer day, I think I’d always be converting it back to 82° F just to make sure I knew exactly how warm it was, based on my past experiences. We don’t want to be the ones straddling the two worlds, dealing with parts in both sizes or wondering how to deal with machinery that still had Imperial components that were no longer allowed to be manufactured.

Besides, who has the guts to push an idea like this forward in the country today? If Republicans championed the cause, Democrats would rail against it. And vice versa. And unfortunately, engineers, scientists and the like don’t have the kind of lobby that would be needed to get politicians interested. Even a public relations disaster like losing the Mars Climate Orbiter (due to a conversion mishap) didn’t move the needle on fully switching to Metric. So I guess I’ll just wait with you for that long-off day when we get the first flying car—and wonder what kind of miles per gallon that thing will get.


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To: Olog-hai
Actually, the British coinage system meshed well with the American and Canadian decimal system back in the days of the gold standard. It was easier than you think to figure out the value of a British coin back then.

A ha'penny was almost exactly one cent. A pence was almost exactly two cents. A thruppence was a little more than a nickel. Sixpence was a smidgen more than a dime. A shilling was a little less than a quarter. A florin was close to a half-dollar.

It got a little weirder when the higher denominations came in, but our ancestors could still cope. A half-crown? Right around sixty cents. A crown? Less than $1.25. And, a British Sovereign plus two bits was almost exactly five dollars.

In Newfoundland - yes, the Dominion of Newfoundland - one Newfie cent was fixed by law at exactly one ha'penny. So, a Brit shilling was exactly twenty-four Newfie cents. A florin was N$0.48. A crown was exactly N$1.20. And a Sovereign plus a twenty-cent Newfie coin was exactly N$5.00.

I have a Newfoundland gold coin with face value N$2.00. In small letters, it says: "Two Hundred Cents - One Hundred Pence." The funny thing is, the gold value of the coin is well over £100 now.

181 posted on 11/05/2012 6:00:13 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: JRandomFreeper
Try tearing out even somewhat rotted oak real 2x4s...

Real 2 X 4s? Then they must have been unmilled. Milling takes a quarter-inch off each of the four sides, leaving the standard 1 1/2" X 3 1/2" dealie.

I have seen real, unmilled 2 X 8s: a full two inches thick. Needless to say, they were hammered into place a long, long time ago.

182 posted on 11/05/2012 6:07:17 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: House Atreides
Distance and Speed are not really a problem under the metric system. It's weight and temperature which are hard to get used to. I lived a year under metric in Australia (cold turkey change over) so I have some experience in the area.
183 posted on 11/05/2012 6:10:29 PM PST by Woodman
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To: SamuraiScot

The good old French Revolution; the real birth of communistic revolution and a failure that collapsed in on itself.


184 posted on 11/05/2012 6:12:47 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Army Air Corps
Oh yes, the farthing. When it was made of copper, it was about the same size as a Lincoln. Worth about a half-cent despite the common size.

There was actually a time when the British government issued a half-farthing. First issued in 1828; ashcanned in 1869. Believe it or not, the Brits even issued a third-farthing around that time. Both were intended for use in British colonies: Ceylon and Malta respectively.

185 posted on 11/05/2012 6:14:13 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: danielmryan

A 1/3 farthing coin? Egad, that was a terribly small denomination.


186 posted on 11/05/2012 6:21:31 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: danielmryan
It's an old, old shotgun shack, single bedroom, indoor bathroom (sorta), parlor (with baby grand piano, my contribution), and kitchen that is large enough for 2 small people to ballroom dance in, and it came with a #2 tub and a rust stain on the kitchen floor to indicate where it went on Saturday nights.

I've actually used it that way, when times were harsher than they are now.

The thing you didn't mention about unmilled 2x4s is the gritching splinters. They are not happy-happy, joy-joy making kinds of things.

The floor was worse.

/johnny

187 posted on 11/05/2012 6:21:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Boiler Plate

The Canucks use it in curling.


188 posted on 11/05/2012 6:42:14 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: TChris

Vehicle wheel (and tire wheel fitment) sizes are all in inch. Even in Europe and other ‘metric-only’ areas.

The Europeans tried to introduce metric-sized wheels and it turned out to be an expensive total failure in the market place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelin_TRX


189 posted on 11/05/2012 6:49:38 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TChris

Their draftsmen don’t like it much either. Toyota, Nissan and VW all send their blueprints in standard increments, not metric.The parts themselves are in metric, and will have screws, nuts, and bolts in metric. They will be done to standard measurements though


190 posted on 11/05/2012 6:53:24 PM PST by Figment
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Metric might be more convenient for SI units and scales in manufacturing of widgets smaller than breadboxes, but for land and real estate and most Civil Engineering projects, even if shown in metric or soft metric, most US projects are still designed in English/Imperial units.

While Metric allows for easy base 10 mathematical operations, the English system has a penchant for multiples of 3 and 4, allowing easier intuitive trade transactions.

Other elements of the Imperial/English system were based upon agricultural and commonly used hydraulic basis of design. HVAC is based upon ‘tonnes’ of ice cooling. Miles, although originally equivalent to 5000 ped (feet) from the Roman Army, became associated with 8 furlongs in the days of Queen Elizabeth (5280 ped/feet) allowing real estate to be composed of sections and townships and ranges, distinguishing local areas of governance manageable by horseback and footraffic.

There are advantages to units of weights and measures divisible by thirds and quarters. Areas may be subdivided rather than simply bisected. Divided parcels tend to fall more orderly for municipal planning functions for utility networks.

Even today, US pipelines tend to be designed in inch diameters, even if measured in centimeters or meters. 2.54cm = 1 in, and one will find 4” diameter lines and 10.16cm dia lines, but rarely 10 cm dia lines.

Ergonometrics tends to favor the Imperial/English systems of measures.

For myself, I still favor the Imperial/English system of measures for construction, though if engaged in nanotechnology or interplanetary travel, the metric system has its advantages.


191 posted on 11/05/2012 6:55:14 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: ThomasThomas

Albert Champion Spark Plugs.


192 posted on 11/05/2012 7:01:02 PM PST by Paladin2 (Posting a response is still an issue.....)
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To: RatSlayer

Don’t mess with a 12 ga.


193 posted on 11/05/2012 7:02:35 PM PST by Paladin2 (Posting a response is still an issue.....)
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To: Army Air Corps
I know! There was even a 1/4 farthing coin, but it was never legal tender in the U.K. Again, it was intended for a colony.

That from an age when money slowly increased in value over time. How's that for a vignette?

Speaking of low denominations, the early Republic saw the Mint issue a half-cent coin. Despite its small monetary value, it was about the size of a quarter. The switch from the large cent to the small cent in 1858 put the kibosh on the half-penny. The original large cent was more than an inch in diameter.

27-29 millimetres for all you metric guys :)

194 posted on 11/05/2012 7:09:16 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: redfreedom
I think the Canadians have been on the metric system for decades. A couple months ago we visited up there, everyone we talked to talked in miles, feet, pounds.

Yup.

All of the stoves and recipes in Canada are in Fahrenheit, though the thermostats are in Celsius.

The stores are required to sell things by metric weight, and since there is no good approximation for a "pound", fish, for instance is sold by the hundred-gram (about 1/4 pound). The fact that they say 100-gram instead of centigram, have no idea at all what a decimeter is, even though it is the unit closest to a foot, tells me that having the same root with different prefixes is NOT as easy as the metric wonks made it sound.

Heck, they can't even use Megagram for 1000 kilograms (about 2,200 pounds). Instead, they refer to Metric Tonnes, echoing the feel of the Imperial system.

I also noticed at the Edmonton Mall, the clearance sign is still in feet. I guess they don't want anybody hitting the top of the van or SUV.

Oh, and ALL the lumber is STILL in Imperial. The government tried to make it metric, and a whole bunch of home builders half way through their framing got REALLY messed up when 2x4s and 4'x8'plywood disappeared.
195 posted on 11/05/2012 7:15:12 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Splinters! Oh, yes. The 2 X 8s I mentioned were ceiling beams for a very low sloping ceiling. I might have gotten a splinter from one of them when I was a boy. Whether or not I did, I was sure careful around them.

No wonder so few people complained about the 1/4" shave-offs of milled boards...

196 posted on 11/05/2012 7:16:02 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: SamuraiScot

The metric system’s forte is that it has a much better grasp on the concept of mass.


197 posted on 11/05/2012 7:16:16 PM PST by Paladin2 (Posting a response is still an issue.....)
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To: Dr. Sivana
The stores are required to sell things by metric weight,...

Yeah, but pretty much every Canadian knows what 454 g means. And there are lots of grocery items that are sold in exactly that weight.

The beer in my fridge is exactly 341 millilitres per bottle. Care to guess what that translates into?

198 posted on 11/05/2012 7:25:40 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“And for some reason my 10 MM wrench is constantly missing!
“Ha, I’ve ended up with a plethora of 10 mm wenches and sockets.


199 posted on 11/05/2012 7:27:01 PM PST by Paladin2 (Posting a response is still an issue.....)
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To: danielmryan
"Care to guess what that translates into? "

A ripoff?

200 posted on 11/05/2012 7:28:49 PM PST by Paladin2 (Posting a response is still an issue.....)
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