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Power returns to lower Manhattan, but many waiting
Reuters ^ | 11/3/12 | Emily Flitter and Michelle Nichols

Posted on 11/03/2012 6:29:36 AM PDT by Kartographer

The power restoration came as gasoline supplies headed to coastal zones devastated by the record storm surge and to motorists whose patience has been tested by gasoline rationing during the painstaking effort to rebuild.

With the U.S. presidential election just three days away, about 3 million homes and business remained without power in a region choked with storm debris and long gas lines reminiscent of the 1970s-era U.S. fuel shortage. Angry storm victims wondered when their lives would return to normal.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hurricane; manhattan; ny2012; nyc; poweroutage; sandy
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To: Betis70
I have a cousin in northern Michigan who would contract with the state DNR for forest cleaning.

The DNR would assign parcels of state land to these contractors then go in and mark trees for removal. After he cleared the trees my cousin would then keep the wood and cut it into cord size then sell it for firewood.

This was years ago when cord wood was only about $25 per cord. He didn't get rich off it but it was a source of income between other ventures he was always involved in.

The thing about tree removal after storms is that the trees are already down and you and your homeowners insurance is anxious to get your property cleaned up. My pin oak was about 35 feet high, so it wasn't a small tree. As I said, the tree company came in with 3 guys and had it and a juniper tree gone in just 20 minutes. Two guys were cutting with chain saws and the third guy was feeding the wood chipper.....I think the total cost was about $250. Not bad for so little time....

41 posted on 11/03/2012 9:50:15 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: JRandomFreeper

No, it’s more like being a big advocate of house insurance and having a neighbor who refuses to buy house insurance and who makes it clear that he thinks you’re nuts for buying it, so you secretly fume and hope his house burns down.

Except of course that prepping for TSHTF isn’t anywhere near as reasonable as having house insurance.


42 posted on 11/03/2012 9:50:26 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
A SHTF scenario is one where you lose your income for 2 years. Lots and lots of good people have in the last few years. It doesn't affect the rest of the world. It affects YOU and your family. And it sucks, even if you are somewhat prepared.

I save money, about 15% by buying in bulk when things that I use are on sale. It also leaves me with months and months of supplies if I need them.

You have some seriously screwed up ideas about what preppers do. Hint... It's like what our grandparents did up until about the '50s.

/johnny

43 posted on 11/03/2012 9:50:52 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
so you secretly fume and hope his house burns down.

Dude, you have issues. I don't give a rat's ass what my neighbors do, unless it affects me directly. I don't project or demand others behave the way I think they should. You, however are pretty vocal about projecting your attitudes on people that you know very little about.

You do what you want to do, I'll do what I want to do, and I can do without your crap. You offer nothing positive to the discussion.

/johnny

44 posted on 11/03/2012 9:55:55 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm responding to your analogy, not talking about myself. I wouldn't want a neighbor's house to burn, and maybe you wouldn't either. But you read some of these prepper articles and blog posts and it's clear that there's some sort of persecuted/vindictive state of mind going on.

Like that article blam posted a few months back, the one I dubbed Blam's Inferno (which wasn't written by him, just posted by him). The guy starts off venting angrily about being mocked for his preps, then spends the rest of the piece putting waaaay too much imaginitive effort into describing the various torments and grisly demises in store for non-preppers in a SHTF scenario. Then he says he's just doing it to raise awareness or something, because he cares. Yeah right, buddy.

45 posted on 11/03/2012 10:12:05 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
As I said. You bring nothing positive to the discussion that people are having to maintain life during harsh circumstances.

You do, however snipe at people that are doing positive things to maintain life, and casting aspersions on their motives. What positive contribution to the discussion of preparedness do you have? So far I have seen none.

/johnny

46 posted on 11/03/2012 10:18:07 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
A SHTF scenario is one where you lose your income for 2 years.

This seems like a pretty drastic defining down of SHTF.

47 posted on 11/03/2012 10:18:18 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Live through it, hero, and come back and talk to me. As far as you are concerned it's SHTF when it happens to you.

Losing your house, your car, and being forced into homeless shelters has happened all over America in the last few years.

Doesn't matter if it's NBC warfare that cause it, or the great depression of 1930 or the depression of 2008. Homeless is homeless. Hungry is hungry.

It's conservative to protect one's family against that. It's liberal to snipe at those that are trying to do something about it.

/johnny

48 posted on 11/03/2012 10:24:52 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick; metmom; Marcella; Old Sarge; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; ...

Think about this way and you will see that Yardstick has a point.

It’s just human nature to want that I told you so moment. Stir in some “mockers and doubters” preoccupation with preppers’ and what they believe and how the spend their own money have the perfect conditions for wanting them punished for not think and behaving like they think they should — on some level and despite the better judgement of their conscience they want this people punished for their ‘misdeeds’. It’s kind of like liberals wanting us to lose in Iraq. They’d deny it to the hilt but we all knew they wanted it. Sooner or later if these “mockers and doubters” happen to know any preppers they will be among the despite the better judgement of their conscience they will be among the first to report those preppers to the authorities for their misdeed and hoarding. Why it many even eat at them so much that they don’t even wait, but upon learn of these people they would (anonymously of course) despite they better judgement and ‘conservative’ values feel the need to report such miscreant to the authorities so as to make sure that their behavior is monitor and thus insure a better chance that they be punished for their behavior. Now does that make sense?

Yardstick you are trying to blow smoke up somewhere were the sun don’t shine.

I’ll tell you what I will put the body of my work for the past week helping, urging, advising, making recommendations, posting prep list and so own and the number of people I have help against all you anti-prepping post. I know for a fact I have helped a lot of people and I have the Freepmails of thanks to prove it.

My posting history is open for you to study. Now you show me were during the past week you helped anyone on FR to the same degree. You show me where your anti-prepping BS has helped anyone, has made anyone’s life easier or helped cause them less suffering. Are you up to my challenge?


49 posted on 11/03/2012 10:30:50 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Getting through an extended period of joblessness is about financial preparedness, something which I have most certainly done — I could easily go two years with no income — not stocking up on survival supplies. You seem to be confusing things.


50 posted on 11/03/2012 10:42:47 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m offering legit criticism of a nasty attitude that I see within the prepper community — one which I don’t like seeing here on FR.


51 posted on 11/03/2012 10:52:03 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Preparedness is preparedness, prepper. Financial, physical, whatever. You might have prepped enough to do it without supplies, if your investments don't crash or inflation doesn't eat them away.

Lots and lots of people didn't prepare. Financially, physically, whatever. And they were out on the street.

I prepped financially by owning my house outright. When investments and income crashed in 2008, I had the good fortune to have prepped well enough that I could eat on what I had on hand, because I always buy bulk at a discount.

I didn't wind up homeless, I didn't go on public support.

I was able to restore enough income to limp through.

Things are better now on the financial front, and after what I've been through, you can bet I've gone back to buying in bulk at discount. It's a conservative thing to do to not pay retail.

You still haven't made a positive contribution to the discussion. Just sniping.

/johnny

52 posted on 11/03/2012 10:52:17 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

Heh — I knew my “mockers and doubters” comment would get to you.

I know you people like I know every square inch of my glorious naked body (to quote Rush).


53 posted on 11/03/2012 10:54:16 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: JRandomFreeper
You still haven't made a positive contribution to the discussion. Just sniping.

I'm just giving you some tough love. One of these days you'll understand...

54 posted on 11/03/2012 10:57:17 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
I'm offering legitimate criticism of a nasty attitude that I see within the anti-preparedness community --- one which I don't like seeing here on FR.

How about something positive? Maybe an article on financial preparedness for personal disasters.

/johnny

55 posted on 11/03/2012 10:57:45 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
“It’s just human nature to want that I told you so moment. Stir in some preppers’ preoccupation with “mockers and doubters” and you have the perfect conditions for wanting it to happen —”

That’s let me out of your condemnation of preppers as I don’t have any “human nature” (I control what I think) nor any preoccupation with mockers and doubters - you, see, everyone controls his/her life and I don’t give a crap what anyone else does - prep/don’t prep, live, die, I don’t care.

Your posts are still worth dirt.

56 posted on 11/03/2012 10:59:23 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is Dead. PREPARE)
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To: Yardstick
One of these days you'll understand...

Just waiting for that day to come, and gloating that you'll be able to tell us preppers "I told you so"?

So what goal, exactly are you trying to achieve with this 'tough love'? To get people to agree with you?

/johnny

57 posted on 11/03/2012 11:02:15 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick

I knew you wouldn’t accepted the challenge you work is lacking


58 posted on 11/03/2012 11:09:32 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Yardstick
The problem with the insurance analogy is that full-on prepping is too big a cost for too unlikely an event.

OK. So does this mean that all prepping is a waste of time?

There's a whole spectrum of prepping, from buying some eggs, bread, and milk before a forecast snowstorm, all the way to "the end of the world as we know it"(TEOTWAWKI). I'm somewhere in the low-to-moderate end (enough food for a month, firewood for two weeks in winter, and enough ammo to discourage rioters for a few days). Some are prepared for a year of hard times.

Perhaps you should just decide what level of prepping makes sense to you (one week? two?), and go with that? Meanwhile let the ones with different viewpoints the luxury of going with their own opinions of what's right for them?

59 posted on 11/03/2012 11:11:08 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Yardstick; JRandomFreeper; Marcella

>>>one of these days you’ll understand<<<

Count me as one of those who would much rather “one day understand” that my thoughtful preparations of body and soul were perhaps not ALL entirely necessary...than be one of the multitude starving and bleeding and bleating and perishing.


60 posted on 11/03/2012 11:12:35 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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