Posted on 10/26/2012 6:30:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Cheap costume jewelry at that, which is befitting their *true* profession, which is most assuredly *NOT* "the profession of arms"...
the infowarrior
A Predator drone, as opposed to any other drone, would *BY DEFINITION* be armed with Hellfires. *THAT* is what makes a Predator a Predator.
That said, I am unsure if the drone/drones which were overhead at Benghazi were actually Predators, or not. Many folks have gotten into the habit of calling *any* US UAV (drone) a Predator, when that may not actually be the case...
the infowarrior
bump for later read. too bad we can’t bookmark threads.
I was a kid when Nixon resigned.
People say "Watergate", but they don't ever mention what it actually was- breaking into DNC headquarters, and cover up.
It seems like a college prank compared to what's on this thread.
Anyone reading this should go to the first post and read everything posted here- it's well worth your time to do so- FYI
From what I understand, the former SEALS were employees of a civilian security contractor. They were not under military orders, but after a couple of requests for support through various channels and being denied, they decided to try to save the Ambassador and others of their own accord. If that is true, and seems many news agencies say so, they are true heroes.
I damn to hell, the person[s] who denied air cover. Like has been mentioned many times, Obama was the ultimate authority to allow cross border incursion. He decided to go to bed to be fresh for Vegas the next day. I thought I couldn't hate anyone more than Clinton for denying the Rangers air/ground support in Somalia (Black Hawk Down).
At least that was a military mission that Clinton managed to botch through micro-management. This is a matter of simply not following protective protocol for a consulate, before and during.
There is a long list of people who will have to account for this debacle. As I posted in my own article, I desire, ask, and expect the various military and clandestine service personnel to come forward and give us their account. If they don't and too worried about their futures, then they have no honor. Like I said, if they have to wash cars and be able to look themselves in the mirror, so be it!
You are right. It’s a side by side of Stevens and Gaddafi. Both are horrific.
Issa said there are many whistleblowers who have been anxious to give them information. He said they are very angry and are holding back nothing.
If true, this regime will topple.
Imagine a game of chess where you don’t have to wait your turn to make a move, you only have to wait your turn to take a piece. That is the way a tactical operation is prosecuted. As soon as there was a chance that a specter gunship might be needed, it would have been on it’s way. This would not be a liability, and it might be a critical asset. The decision to use it doesn’t have to be made for it to be proper for it to be deployed.
If there was not a gunship on station, the military chain of commend with responsibility should be immediately put out to pasture. If it was on station, and not used, Obama’s entire state department should be tried for treason.
Where do you want the “facts” to come from before you are a believer? There is testimony of the laser targeting from someone who should know something about how and why it is done.
Are you waiting for confirmation from the white House before you become convinced?
People in high places need to swing for this Treason.
“Obama could have been directing terrorist traffic to the consulate and the MSM would sill cover for him.”
ummmmmm......
What makes you think he wasn’t?
The Predator overhead was unarmed and only capable of a video feed.
The Predator overhead was unarmed and only capable of a video feed.
I ran across a story on FB that is admittedly hearsay at this point, but it would indicate that Gen. Ham actually attempted to DEFY the “stand down” order to provide air support, but within a minute of that decision was apprehended by his second in command, and relieved of his duties.
If that story is true, it could shed some light as to who made the decision at that point to call off the air support. If Ham actually managed to get the order out in defiance of the “stand down” order, then it would make sense why the strike was called off AFTER the C-130 was in the area.
Following is what I read, and shared over on FB. Like I said - I realize this is hearsay right now, but thought it perhaps may shed more light on the truth...
RE: General Ham, former head of Africom - word is he was ready to defy orders, and send a rapid response team to assist, but was apprehended and relieved of his duties by his second in command within 30 seconds - 1 min. after he made that decision. We need to know what General Ham’s side of the story is... (Ken DeWitt is the person who originally posted this at FB, I received it through a “share” from a friend...)
Ken DeWitt
Gen Ham was fired 30 seconds after deciding to intervene in Benghazi: I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.
quote:
“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”
The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africon.
I found this story when I got home after hearing this story.
quote:
President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced.
As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham’s comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12.
I think we need millions of people calling the NYTimes, CNN etc and asking directly to people in the newaroom why they are not running this story.
Question — Was Gen. Hamm relieved of his duties DURING the attack? Do we have any way of knowing exactly when he was relieved of his duties as head of Africom?
The reason I ask is that I ran across another story on FB today/last night that may shed light on the calling off of the airstrike if the C-130 was indeed overhead already... That story can be read in post #194 of this thread. I do realize that it is hearsay at this point, but thought it may perhaps be of relevance to this discussion.
See the post I just put up in #194. Some are saying that Hamm actually got a rapid response team ready, told the pentagon, received the order to “stand down” and then made the decision to defy the Pentagon orders and was immediately relieved of his duties by his second in command. Granted, the story I posted IS hearsay at this point, but could explain why the strike was called off after the plane was already in the air (if it was).
I’m still catching up on the stuff here at FR after spending a while reading about this on FB, where - at least among conservative circles - it is perhaps the ONLY thing being discussed...
We already know why. These people are incredulous prix, that's why! The question should be WHEN are they going to run the story!
The MSM is going to have too run this, because with or without them this country is not going to stand by and not get answers on Benghazi.
People are POed, and rightfully so!
Sept 19 story - reporting Ham’s replacement.
The data keeps pouring in...
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