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**LIVE THREAD** Second Presidential Debate - Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama (9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern)
C-SPAN ^ | 10-16-12 | Live Thread

Posted on 10/16/2012 2:13:41 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

Edited on 10/16/2012 3:04:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

You can watch the debate online here: http://www.youtube.com/politics?feature=inp-hp-ype-26

Town Hall debate.

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To: stephenjohnbanker
I still recommend an F-350 to pull the boat. It's the systems analyst in me... see, the boat is a variable.

Then the day you go for the 40 foot Bayliner, no prob, eh?.

1,141 posted on 10/17/2012 5:02:41 PM PDT by glock rocks (Optimist? Pessimist? Naw, I'm an Awesomist - There's a dragon in that glass!)
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To: glock rocks

” I still recommend an F-350 to pull the boat.”

I’m looking at a F-350 on friday.


1,142 posted on 10/17/2012 5:06:01 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: glock rocks
I'll reserve goats and dwarfs for another screed.

Gangnam Style!

1,143 posted on 10/17/2012 5:14:12 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: stephenjohnbanker; humblegunner; Pete-R-Bilt

I myself looked at an F-350 a couple weeks ago. In the driveway.

It belonged to a bro who owns a big Bayliner.

He showed up this week with a Cuda Hemi. S’okay.

His babe’s Toy can pull the boat.

I’ll stick with my Tokyo Toy 32-OHV alum block V-8. I suppose I’ll feel ashamed when she stops screaming at 250K+ miles and I have to turn her in on the latest screamer. (Oh, and no. It’s not a truck, and I don’t own a boat. I just like acceleration, well, and noise, gunner - scary).


1,144 posted on 10/17/2012 5:22:52 PM PDT by glock rocks (Optimist? Pessimist? Naw, I'm an Awesomist - There's a dragon in that glass!)
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To: humblegunner

You funny guy.

I buy you dinner at City Wok.


1,145 posted on 10/17/2012 5:24:37 PM PDT by glock rocks (Optimist? Pessimist? Naw, I'm an Awesomist - There's a dragon in that glass!)
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To: glock rocks

“I myself looked at an F-350 a couple weeks ago. In the driveway.

It belonged to a bro who owns a big Bayliner.”

Good combo.


1,146 posted on 10/17/2012 5:27:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; B4Ranch; Pete-R-Bilt

Oh yes. Spent a weekend at Powell in his Bayliner with both our families boat camping, and spent my birthday at Jordanelle in a thunderstorm. Just amazing. Both occasions, we woke up and dragged the adult skiers and then the kids (on water-weenies) at 40 knots across the 80 degree glass in the morning.

He built that. Love my bro. (Though I seriously try to subdue my boat lust.)


1,147 posted on 10/17/2012 5:42:13 PM PDT by glock rocks (Optimist? Pessimist? Naw, I'm an Awesomist - There's a dragon in that glass!)
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To: glock rocks; stephenjohnbanker

Yep, IMO these are the questions we should be asking.


1,148 posted on 10/17/2012 5:48:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; John Robinson

“IMO these are the questions we should be asking.”
Absolutely, D1 &sjb!

Should we ask our overlords? Here’s the action:

document.”<% globalSorosContextLocalUsefulIdiocy %> /Obamas/gov/preSetup.do;method = LibyaCoverUp&preArrangedTranscript = doneDeal& shutRomneyDown=”goToTheScriptCandyAssOnQue” >
document.submit;

They actually pay me to play with this internet thingy.

We’re only ‘for the most part’ dealing with idiots. The remainder are evil, ruthless, power-hungry sons-of-bitches who’ll stop at nothing.


1,149 posted on 10/17/2012 7:51:15 PM PDT by glock rocks (Optimist? Pessimist? Naw, I'm an Awesomist - There's a dragon in that glass!)
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To: onyx
All excellent points, but Romney does superbly thinking on his feet.

True -- You or I can sit on our couch and yell potent replies to Obambi at the TV, but we have the advantage of not being under the enormous pressure of a national debate, and not having to worry if just one little wrong word slips out.

Romney, once he hit his stride, did well debating Gingrich, and that's no small accomplishment.

1,150 posted on 10/17/2012 8:45:58 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

True, but, I was thinking of a Republican, or maybe a group of Republicans, who would “surprise” the “average” voters by making such a statement, and would almost have to be heard. VP Cheney comes to mind, but I don’t know if he has the “weight” with the MSM by himself to make a big splash. Maybe Cheney + Condi Rice + Rumsfeld + Gingrich + Bolton? Perhaps throw in a couple Governors like Christie or Haley. Maybe Fred Thompson would join in (background from Watergate, and “gravitas”). So it’s mostly people have been on the inside and know how it works (or should work), and then have a couple types in there (Gingrich, Christie) who can take Obambi MSM types and twist them into pretzels at the news conference.


1,151 posted on 10/17/2012 9:23:11 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: rodguy911

I do not disagree with you on that, but, it also true that Bush grew the Gov’t too much, created too much additional debt, etc. Those things certainly contributed to a vulnerable economy. Romney could hit Obama on all that, your and my points both. With regard to Fed. gov’t growth and debt, Romney can argue effectively that Obama is Bush on steroids, and warn of the dire consequences...


1,152 posted on 10/17/2012 9:35:17 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; onyx
I ran across this link this evening. Poor Barky...he can't get a break.

Obama yet to confirm ‘terrorist’ act in Libya

1,153 posted on 10/17/2012 9:37:24 PM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Darnright
Paul, all of your suggestions are spot on. Anytime government subsidizes something, be it healthcare, real estate, or college costs, those costs will invariably go up.

Yes, that's my point. It seems to be particularly true of services. The gov't steps in to "help" ostensibly poorer citizens, and the next thing you know, no one but the rich can afford that service without help!

The gov't screws up the supply - demand equation, and gains control and political power by doing so.

Some forms of subsidies, like Ag subsidies, don't work quite that way with respect to consumer prices, though it's certain they function to hide the true cost of the subsidized item and transfer it to others in the form of taxes. Plus, the factors of political power and control also still apply.

Gov't inflates prices in many other ways, of course. I looked at new and then, of necessity, used car prices recently, and nearly fell over. (Even after a lot of the "deals" and discounts were applied.) You can't tell me that the gov't pouring money in, and Cash for Clunkers taking hundreds of thousands of perfectly good cars off the road, not to mention a host of gov't regulations and requirements, did not artificially run up auto prices.

Not everyone is capable of keeping a high-skilled job, and Barack Obama is the poster child for that little factoid.

Heh, well, the 2nd part of that aside, that is an EXCELLENT point. There are many people, maybe most people, most of them wonderful people, who could not with all the training and education in the world, do the job I do. In turn, I probably could not do the jobs some of them do -- I've taken brief stints on a production line, and it's ok for a few days or so, if need be, but if I had to do it for years, I might come apart at the seams! Other jobs I simply do not have the physical attributes to do. Or, if my job involved lying, I'd fail miserably. Or worse. :-)

There are many jobs in manufacturing, and not necessarily "high tech", that can pay far better than flipping burgers at MacDonalds. Yes, that's even in competition with the Chinese, if the playing field is more nearly level, and if the company is "on its toes". Yet President Obama would, apparently, give up on those manufacturing jobs for people who are well suited to do them. What and where does that leave such a person? (Probably flipping burgers beside the engineer who lost his job too, because Obama won't fight for the *expletive deleted* jobs, and now virtually all the manufacturing of that product, and even many of the engineering & technical jobs, have gone to China. I'm all too familiar with that story...)

1,154 posted on 10/17/2012 10:35:08 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: glock rocks

Agreed GR.


1,155 posted on 10/17/2012 11:17:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: onyx

The issue was the Rose Garden statement, which Romney stupidly overreacted to, and acted like a Democrat. It was a BAD moment. While Obama did not call it a terrorist act, he used the word “terror,” while talking about. The parsing that has to be done to say Romney was right is a major waste of energy.


1,156 posted on 10/18/2012 6:15:47 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: glock rocks; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; John Robinson

” document.”<% globalSorosContextLocalUsefulIdiocy %> /Obamas/gov/preSetup.do;method = LibyaCoverUp&preArrangedTranscript = doneDeal& shutRomneyDown=”goToTheScriptCandyAssOnQue” >
document.submit;”

The latest, of course, was the “go to the script, Candy”.
You are correct, they stop at nothing.


1,157 posted on 10/18/2012 7:51:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Darnright; onyx

Good catch with this article. Obama lied from the get go, and we have plenty of evidence to support the claim. Nobody saw that stupid video, it was the pawn for the coverup.


1,158 posted on 10/18/2012 7:57:33 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, we can give it a try. If there’s a chance that hundreds of people trying to post to the same thread at the same time is causing a deadlock on the db, it’s worth a shot to try to split the load. John says the load avg on the web server was low, the cpu’s were not busy and the db sever was mostly idle last time, but we couldn’t get any throughput. Could be a logjam in the db caused by record locks making it hard to get anything in or out.

Hey Jim, about the indexing on the database tables.

Sometimes, the simplest things get overlooked.
1,159 posted on 10/18/2012 8:37:26 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: PghBaldy
Give yourself a rest. You lose. Romney was thrown for loop by Crowley. She interfered, wrongly and incorrectly, when Romney was ready to move in for the kill. It was a set-up!


Obama already knew Kerry Ladka who asked a question about Benghazi at the debate

1,160 posted on 10/18/2012 1:15:41 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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