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Billy Graham's group removes Mormon cult reference from website after Romney meeting
CNN ^ | 10/16/12 | Eric Marrapodi

Posted on 10/16/2012 1:59:50 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks

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To: Springfield Reformer

Don’t get too proud, as SMTA also! ;^)


161 posted on 10/17/2012 3:36:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Maybe the lovely Elsie will explain polygamy to you...

Not ME!

I'll get called a HATER!!!


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


162 posted on 10/17/2012 3:37:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I'll get called a HATER!!!

So?

You're gonna get called worse: GO for it!!


 

Polygamy: How it all got Started


 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


163 posted on 10/17/2012 3:39:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fireman15
How do you like being tag teamed by a bunch people who are actively working to discourage people on our side from voting?

Who said ANYTHING about you guys about NOT voting?


Attacking Billy Graham? Really! Amazing!

Yup; in a HEARTBEAT; if he starts jabbering about heresy.

Don't get all high and mighty on me or I'll let Old Mountain Man use the keyboard!

He can sure light into ol' Billy!

164 posted on 10/17/2012 3:46:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
One evil justifies other evils?

Justifies?

Merely pointing out yet one more fact about MORMONism.

165 posted on 10/17/2012 3:48:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw; Utah Binger
So from Nuns and Priests to a cousin who calls himself a four times a year and only with mama Catholic.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31003535@N07/2998015509/

166 posted on 10/17/2012 3:50:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I am not walking into your trap.

Traps are easy, if you spot them first.

Merely carry a big stick to hold the jaws open while removing the bait.

167 posted on 10/17/2012 3:52:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
As if none had been cited or as if any common sense acquaintance with the bible could not turn up many ways.

So, basically, you have no example to show us of what you so openly claim.

Ok.

168 posted on 10/17/2012 3:52:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: driftdiver
Its pretty much expected on any of these threads.

You betcha!!


2 Corinthians 11:12

And I will keep on doing what I am doing

 in order to cut the ground from under those

who want an opportunity to be considered equal

with us in the things they boast about.

 

169 posted on 10/17/2012 3:53:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Springfield Reformer
But for many Christians, particularly older Christians raised as I was, voting for one antichrist to get rid of another antichrist is an impossible to solve problem.

We broke it on ourselves...


But...


 

 

2 Chronicles 7:14

If my people, who are called by my name,
shall humble themselves,
and pray, and seek my face,
and turn from their wicked ways; ,

then will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land.

170 posted on 10/17/2012 3:55:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Call me a product of an earlier time, a relic of the past, but for me, this is a bridge too far.

Sorry, but no excuse is needed.

A youngster in Christ, after reading the Book, and then studying the claims of MORMONism, would be able to see that it is a heresy.

Ya don't need to be a Genius or a Geezer to figger THAT out!



171 posted on 10/17/2012 3:59:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fireman15
Mitt Romney is not the one who is attacking Christianity at every turn.

You GOTTA be kidding me!

ALL of MORMONism attacks Christianity every day and it every way.

172 posted on 10/17/2012 4:01:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fireman15
I am highly offended by your efforts to help Obama.

And I am highly offended by your efforts to silence folks from speaking out about the Anti-Christian cult: MORMONism.

173 posted on 10/17/2012 4:02:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fireman15

Um, Romney got a law degree from Harvard, and passed the Michigan bar exam, so at least at that moment, he was a lawyer. Don’t know if he’s still active or not.

My law degree is from Liberty University. I was a member of the inaugural class of 2007. Law Review. I interned with Matt Staver at Liberty Counsel. We had Christian people calling us trying to get the MA Romney administration off their back over abortion, hospital workers who wanted us to help them get a conscience exemption. This was AFTER Mitt’s alleged conversion to prolife. I know it happened because I got the triage call. I know you don’t trust the motives of a stranger on the internet, and I get why, but I’m telling you, he is not what either the Rs or Ds are making him out to be. Be careful what you wish for.

BTW, at Liberty, they didn’t have a class in how to confuse the issues. Not saying it never happens, but if it does its not on purpose and not part of my training. In fact, one of Liberty’s main purposes for the program was to produce lawyers who would keep the legal issues clear and focused on Christian principles. At Harvard from day one they teach you to leave your morals at the door. At Liberty, you not only brought your morals to class, but you were required to make them better. It was and still is a good program.

As for personal attacks, cursing someone’s evil intent succeeds on several levels. You ate not God. You don’t know anything of my intent beyond what I reveal through my words. I promise and assure you, my only intent is to keep faith with my God. You read anything else into it, you’re just making stuff up.

As for Washington, we love the state, especially Seattle, but my kids didn’t get accepted there. Liberty was actually my second choice. I wanted beaches for my wife. So we end up in Illinois. Go figure.

Peace,

SR


174 posted on 10/17/2012 4:30:41 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: fireman15
Mitt Romney is not the one who is attacking Christianity at every turn.

Are you aware of the teachings of mormonISM?

The very foundation, teachings and prophets from the beginning till today are an attack on Christianity.

Does Romney stand up and use those words, nope.

Does he follow the teachings and prophets who do - yep.

Is Romney THE anti-Christ - nope

Is he AN anti-Christ - yep.

mormonism is anti-Christ from the foundation.

mormonism is what Romney believes and follows to the letter.

psst this is the Religion Forum, in case you were not aware

175 posted on 10/17/2012 4:41:42 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

I wish we had Cain as an option now, but alas we do not. We have two choices; one terrible and one bad.

One will see the end of our country in 4 years. We should be able to influence the other enough to push back the dogs of war just a bit.

This is an election and not a theological debate.


176 posted on 10/17/2012 4:43:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: fireman15

oops, NOT the religious forum.....so


177 posted on 10/17/2012 4:47:17 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Elsie

I’m saying your own conscience condemns you one way or the other so why should I join in.


178 posted on 10/17/2012 5:02:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: fireman15

Mitt Romney is not a snake; he is not venomous, and he is not a lawyer
________________________________________

Kid hes all those things...

hes the liberal baby killing lawyer you should have shot those 2 times

and left our Conservative FReeper alone...

Last week you were all so proud and boastful of your Wee Willies EIGHT degrees and now youre denying he has any ???

LOL

Funny RomneyBots...


179 posted on 10/17/2012 5:14:17 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw
sad

It is sad, when we deny Christ, whatever the reason.

Used to be, when facing certain death, Christians would rather die then give up their faith.

Apparently the religion of the Grahms is less than 100% and is fungible when THEY believe it is necessary.
180 posted on 10/17/2012 6:36:39 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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