Knowing What You Know Now, Would You Have Backed Romney From The Primary?

[Colofornian]

Do you think a rapist would go back to a woman he raped a few weeks later, kidnap her, and perform an abortion?

Do you think a stepfather or father who raped their daughter would force her to have an abortion to cover up incest?

Happens far more than you could think.

Should your daughter get raped, do you want her to have that child...

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. AT least unlike many pro-aborts, you concede a child is indeed under risk of dismemberment here.

Oh. And I wasn't aware that telling a mom to dismember her young one was some sort of "cure" for rape (or incest). You can't double back & erase the crime involved by forcing/coercing/encouraging a mom to become a participant in yet another crime (in God's eyes).

Would you FORCE your daughter to have that child? What would you say if it was your brother that raped your daughter?

Force?

ALL: Here's a clear lesson where wastedyears talks and acts like a liberal Democrat pro-abort.

#1, the "force" of violence occurred during the rape BY THE RAPIST...NOT during the ensuing period of safety and sanctuary as the girl/women's family rallies around her to protect her!

You've pulled a liberal, Democratic pro-abort boner of an argument here: Here you've lamely attempted to transfer the guilt from the rapist -- blaming the family instead for "forcing" themselves upon the girl/woman.

How shameful such a conclusion is!!!

Here, if a loving family rallies around a girl or young woman for the approximate 2 to 5-month time a woman can have an abortion (Note: this period varies because abortionists don't do abortions until approximately three months' gestation...and most abortionists don't do late-term abortions for insurance-risk and high insurance premium reasons), YOU, shameful one, call that "FORCING" themselves upon the woman.

You convert the world upside down with your vocab by turning the peaceful, loving care of a family into an act of "force" -- while you seem to overlook who did the violent forcing???

Now tell us: If your daughter was dating somebody you absolutely loathed and wouldn't "have it" ANY WAY that this guy become the father of your grandchild, what advice would you give to your daughter then?

(Your slippery slope runneth over here...'cause I can tell you quite frankly that many a man would deem some of the boys/men their daughters are dating as no better than a serial rapist)

[DoughtyOne]

As usual you're proposing facts not in evidence, but every elected official will be a disappointment.   Deb, if you wish to think those things are not on the table, that's fine with me.  They are.

No one will be the perfect social and economic titan plus they have to go to Washington and deal with the culture that exists there. They have to deal with the lying, traitorous Democrats, a corrupt media, a Leftist popular culture and a base of conservatives who stand around bitching and moaning and waiting for them to show ANY indication of compromising.  It used to be described as holding our politican's feet to the fire.  Now it's referred to as, how did you put it, "...a base of conservatives who stand around bitching and moaning and waiting for them to show ANY indication of compromising."

NO ONE is EVER conservative enough for people who declare their "principles" to be the most pristine and priceless commodity in the Universe while we're just trying to stop the march of Marxism with what we're given.

Deb, God love ya, but seriously...

How is it stopping the march of Marxism to back people who increase the nation's deficits by 92% during their term in office?  How is it stopping the march of Marxism to back people who create new "Great Society" programs on the level of Lyndon Banes Johnson?  How is it stopping the march of Marxism to advocate for transitioning between 20 and 35 million illegal immigrants to citizenship, when you understand that segment of our society votes with the leading Marxists in our nation by a margin of 2:1?

Now we've got a guy who wants Romneycare not Obamacare.  He's not a supporter of the right to life.  He's not planning to stop the spending in short order.  He's favorable to striking down Obamacare and replacing it with Romneycare.  He's even favorable to transitioning the illegals to some form of legality.  There, fixed!

If you follow my comments on the forum, you'll note that I have limited my comments concerning Romney/Ryan to ones of support against Obama.  I did this after the convention.  I'm not here to support Obama being re-elected.  I don't ask others to do what I'm doing.  I don't state that I won't vote for Romney/Ryan unless someone poses the question.

So you tell me, who is doing the most damage by starting and feeding a useless thread like this?

I'd rather be back on other threads trashing Obama, Biden, and other Democrats, but no, evidently others think I'm needed here more...

[DoughtyOne]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2945670/posts?page=107#107

When you understand this Grasshopper, get back to me.

[WVKayaker]

I believe we will hear the theme from round 1, plus Benghazi, from Romney. Zero is going down, despite the “perfectionist FReepers” posting their “purity” theme. Clowns they are.

Will I be disappointed by some of the things he will do? Time will tell!

If you studied my history, you would see many posts against Mormonism. But, Romney can be my President, and I believe he can lead us back to prosperity! I am a Christian, but I am also a Patriot! I will continue to pray for him to see his spiritual life in danger!

BUT, I will vote for him like I did for McCain. It will be based on his pick for VP!!! He is certainly a RINO, but that will likely get us back into the FRONT DOOR of the White House...

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From his first debate... responding to Zero:

ROMNEY: Well, sure. I’d like to clear up the record and go through it piece by piece.

First of all, I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don’t have a tax cut of a scale that you’re talking about. My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I’m not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people. High-income people are doing just fine in this economy. They’ll do fine whether you’re president or I am.

The people who are having the hard time right now are middle- income Americans. Under the president’s policies, middle-income Americans have been buried. They’re just being crushed. Middle- income Americans have seen their income come down by $4,300. This is a — this is a tax in and of itself. I’ll call it the economy tax. It’s been crushing.

At the same time, gasoline prices have doubled under the president. Electric rates are up. Food prices are up. Health care costs have gone up by $2,500 a family. Middle-income families are being crushed.

And so the question is how to get them going again. And I’ve described it. It’s energy and trade, the right kind of training programs, balancing our budget and helping small business. Those are the — the cornerstones of my plan.

But the president mentioned a couple of other ideas I’ll just note. First, education. I agree: Education is key, particularly the future of our economy. But our training programs right now, we’ve got 47 of them, housed in the federal government, reporting to eight different agencies. Overhead is overwhelming. We’ve got to get those dollars back to the states and go to the workers so they can create their own pathways to get in the training they need for jobs that will really help them.

The second area, taxation, we agree, we ought to bring the tax rates down. And I do, both for corporations and for individuals. But in order for us not to lose revenue, have the government run out of money, I also lower deductions and credits and exemptions, so that we keep taking in the same money when you also account for growth.

The third area, energy. Energy is critical, and the president pointed out correctly that production of oil and gas in the U.S. is up. But not due to his policies. In spite of his policies.

Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half. If I’m president, I’ll double them, and also get the — the oil from offshore and Alaska. And I’ll bring that pipeline in from Canada.

And, by the way, I like coal. I’m going to make sure we can continue to burn clean coal. People in the coal industry feel like it’s getting crushed by your policies. I want to get America and North America energy independent so we can create those jobs.

And finally, with regards to that tax cut, look, I’m not looking to cut massive taxes and to reduce the — the revenues going to the government. My — my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit.

But I do want to reduce the burden being paid by middle-income Americans. And I — and to do that, that also means I cannot reduce the burden paid by high-income Americans. So any — any language to the contrary is simply not accurate.

[DoughtyOne]

Bert, is that really your take...

Tell me, was increasing our debt by 92% under Bush America first?

Was the implementation of a new great society plan, the Medicare Prescription Coverage, America first?

Was trying to transition the 20 to 35 million illegal in the U. S. to legal, an example of America first?

Romney wants Romneycare, not Obamacare. Is that America first?

Is dismissing the right to life, America first?

Is planning to continue to have large deficits into the foreseeable future America first?

It’s not my intention to spend more time here explaining why I can’t vote for Romney. I don’t really want to lay out something that might cause others to rethink their vote.

Lets move out onto the forum and address the evils of Obama/Biden/Clinton instead.

[DoughtyOne]

I hear ya. Sad but true...

[taxcontrol]

Go cry to the GOP-e.

The fault is theirs for not having a conservative candidate at the top of the ticket. They have done the math and think that they are better off with milquetoast moderates instead of solid conservatives. Ok, so be it. That is their choice. They have clearly stated that they don't want conservatives or conservative ideas in the party. So don't try to guilt me into voting for your candidate. Because if that is all you have left to try and get someone to support your candidate, you have a really weak candidate.

If the GOP wants my vote, they will have to earn it with a conservative candidate. Till then, I will vote for conservatives.

[Colofornian]

There is only one way to save this nation - and sadly - even a majority of professing Christians have abandoned the sound biblical principle in favor of supporting a political messiah to save us from evil. It ensures the Judgment and Fall this nation has sown for itself, will be so great - the earth itself may shudder.

Indeed.

I can imagine God in heaven at the end of election day, conversing with an angel: "So my people in this one land have just openly endorsed and sanctioned a man who claims to be my 'rival' as a competing 'god.' A would-be 'god-in-embryo.'"

For those who might want an explanation of what a temple Mormon like Romney deems to be a "god-in-embryo" -- read below the asterisk line...

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Marion G. Romney -- cousin of Mitt's father -- and in the Lds 'first presidency' at one time

“The truth is … man is a child of God— a God in embryo.” – Mitt Romney's father's cousin, Marion G. Romney – one of the top three Lds hierarchists a generation ago...in Conference Report, April 1973, p. 136; or Ensign, July 1973, p. 14.

3rd LDS 'prophet' John Taylor

* "What is [man]? He had his being in the eternal worlds; he existed before he came here. He is not only the son of man, but he is the son of God also. He IS a God in embryo, and possesses within him a spark of that eternal flame..." (3rd "prophet" John Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, pp. 52-54, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 2, 2001 -- compiled & published by its "intellectual reserve" publishing trademark).
* "If we take man, he is said to have been made in the image of God...being his son, he is, of course, his offspring, an emanation from God...He...came forth possessing, in an embryonic state, ALL the faculties and powers of a God." (Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, p. 52, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 3, 2001).

12th Lds 'prophet' Spencer W. Kimball

Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.

But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:

1969 "Being a GOD IN EMBRYO with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)

A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)

To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.

September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)

1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a GOD IN EMBRYO. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975

November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of one’s life—to substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine

This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp

[greatvikingone]

Because 9-9-9 would have saved me a boatload of money and would have spread the tax base to places it is not currently appreciated.

[WVKayaker]

Frankly, I wouldn't waste my time on you, but I posted something and mentioned those "purists" here. Clowns they are. If the shoe fits...

I say 'clowns' because so many are looking for attention, so they can lay out their reasons why they must not sully themselves. They assume everybody will listen to their plight and give them attention. I see it as a little 'needy'.

This will be my only post to you, so you can go on back and play with others. I have somewhere to go right now.

Rest assured, God is keeping score! He will listen to our prayers. But, He really prefers to hear them from our "closet", and used to further His Kingdom. Your posts do neither, from what I read. All I hear is screed! You start posting as many negatives about him as you can find, then say you "didn't want to sway anyone". If it walks like a duck...

I'm a Sarah Palin supporter. I have sent a lot of money to SarahPac and have seen it used to further the cause. What cause, say you? The salvation of America from the precipice of debt and socialism, IMO. Apparently she agrees with me. She told us so, but I had already decided to help Romney defeat the pResident.

You can rest assured that many of us don't care if you don't vote for Romney. Enjoy the debate tonight, and have a glass of Scotch with me. I'll also be smoking a Dominican Cohiba. ...and, yes, I will be laughing all the way to the polls to pull the R trigger, and haul many old folks out of the retirement homes to vote for him, too!

Congratulations to Mitt Romney on his choice of Congressman Paul Ryan as his running mate. President Obama has declared that this election is about “two fundamentally different visions” for America. Goodness, he’s got that right. Our country cannot afford four more years of Barack Obama’s fundamentally flawed vision. We must now look to this new team, the Romney/Ryan ticket, to provide an alternate vision of an America that is fiscally responsible, strong, and prosperous – an America that understands and is proud of her exceptional place in the world and will respect those who fight to secure that exceptionalism, which includes keeping our promises to our veterans. ... -FaceBook/SarahPalin

[Alas Babylon!]

My choices were: Palin—Never ran, finally announced “No” (broke my heart!); Cain—went to see in Alabama, great speech, crowd fired up, but left race after mysterious women attacks...who spearheaded those, Obama or another REPUBLICAN running????; and Gingrich, actually got to vote for Newt in my primary, but he lost to Santorum; Santorum; but then he dropped out; Romney, last man standing, and anybody but the Kenyan freak, which is where we are today.

If I could have my way, I would love to see Palin 50%, Obama 46%, in today’s Gallup Likely Voter.

[TexasRepublic]

Romney was my last choice and still is. Against Obama, I would vote for anything the GOP put up. Dead cat? No problem, I’ll vote for it.

[Colofornian]

Jean...I've said it before...I'll say it again: I'm voting for Virgil Goode for POTUS.

And for those who would thereby, in turn, proceed to "lecture" me on the "realities" of voting for a third-party candidate, please spare me...until you can show me links to how you lectured all Romney & would-be Romney voters in blue states -- since voting for Romney in non-swing state blue states is likewise "throwing your vote away" on a candidate who absolutely has ZERO chance of claiming those particular electoral votes.

Btw: Voting for a third party candidate in a non-swing state is better than voting for a pro-abort who will lose (in that state) anyway. And if I happened to reside in a swing state, guess what? (I'd still vote for Virgil Goode...why vote for somebody portending to be a "god in embryo" whose in favor of dismembering younger versions of Jessica Ridgeway???)

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Oh, and speaking of which:

Virgil Goode is on the ballot in the following states

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1. Blue states:

Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Washington, -- and if Michigan stays blue, that state, too.

Also, you can readily write in "Virgil Goode" in Illinois and Maryland.

If you live in one of these nine states (well, at least eight even if you subtract Michigan), there's absolutely NO reason to vote for Romney. Obama will win these states, anyway. If you've ever told somebody NOT to vote for a third-party candidate 'cause they'll lose, anyway...well, guess what? Your argument just collapsed on yourself in you live in these given states!!!

2. Red states:

Alabama, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia (looking more red than swing now), and Wyoming.

Also, you can readily write in "Virgil Goode" in Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Montana, North Carolina (looking more red now than swing), and West Virginia.

So, even if we exclude Virginia and North Carolina and just concentrated on the other 17 red states listed above, if you're a FREEPER and you vote for Virgil Goode, Mitt Romney will not miss your vote. Obama will still lose these given states!

Therefore, why vote for a liberal pro-abort like Romney when you can't even use a utilitarian relativist reason to do so?

3. Swing states:

Colorado, Florida (looking more red than swing), Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Wisconsin.

Well, this is where it gets "interesting" for utilitarianist philosophies vs. "principle"...

Do you want to train your children & grandchildren to vote always for the "right uniform color" (red) -- no matter what they espouse -- just 'cause it's a political "improvement" over the "blue" team?

Who do you vote for? The idolatry monger "god-in-embryo" Mitt Romney, or the false political messiah who may have Muslim-ties Obama? Or a third party like Virgil Goode -- knowing that God sees your vote?

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the comments.

I had already decided not to participate on this thread any longer.  It doesn't really matter to me how others see my personal choices.  I'd like to think folks will agree, but if they don't it doesn't work me up.  I explain my views and let the chips fall where they will.  I am comfortable being or not being the person whose views most people share.

This thread:

1. will tend to lead to folks being denigrated for choosing to follow their own beliefs concerning Conservatism, if they can't pledge to vote Romney/Ryan
2. will tend to polarize the Romney/Ryan folks against those who can't back Romney, and vise versa
3. will tend to spur folks who can't vote for Romney/Ryan to explain in detail why, even if they would rather not be doing so at this time in the election cycle
4. will ultimately provide plenty of good reasons why Romney is not supportable, at this time in the election cycle
5. will in the end reveal a number of Romney supporters who have no objection to being rude, insulting, and the worst type of person we want folks to think support Romney
6. will also tie up people's time, so they won't be addressing the Left's actions with negative comments, but will instead be participating on a loser thread like this one

I support you backing whatever Republican you can in good concience.  I'm not here to change your mind.  In fact, I don't want to change your mind.

In the end, I will be supporting whatever Republican I can in good concience. 

At times, in sepecific instances for specific offices, I will not be represented by someone whose overall policies allow me to vote for them.  This is one of those times.

[Sherman Logan]

As I said, I wasn’t sure what his present position was/is.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Why should i try to defend anything, you’ve already told me what to think. Thanks!

[Lady Heron]

no

[John D]

I would have supported Cain or Gingrich. Never Santorum, and neither Palin nor Christie were running. Cain and Gingrich dropped out so I guess I am happy about Romney.

[GenXteacher]

“Knowing What You Know Now, Would You Have Backed Romney From The Primary?”

Nope. I already lowered my standards enough when I supported Gingrich. In my book, Romney’s still a left-winger who has an ‘R’ next to his name, and has no credibility where I’m concerned. I figure voting for him is an act of selling out, an act of rank hypocrisy, and one without a good outcome. I’ll probably do it anyway... But I’ll at least not be lying to myself and others when I’m doing it. My view is that this Presidential election is a choice between a specious turd and a vile POS, and I see attempts to paint it otherwise as propaganda. Hope that answers your question.

[tnlibertarian]

Wow, you stirred up a hornet's nest of 'I'm taking my ball and going home' ABRs.

First, to answer your question, I would have still supported Newt in the primaries. However, Romney has moved up the ladder from the bottom or next to the bottom. I put him into third, behind Newt and maybe Santorum. I liked Perry for a bit, but the debate performances sealed his fate. I like Cain, but I think he was the dog who caught the car; he didn't expect his campaign to actually catch fire like it did and was unprepared. I never thought Bachmann was ready. Who else? Ron Paul is like the Libertarian Party. He has some good ideas in some areas, but the craziness of the rest make him unpalatable.

I've decided these 'Romney is Obama-lite, so I'm staying home' voters are like liberals in a lot of ways. By 'liberals,' I mean your typical, mainly non-politician, feel-good liberals. Not the Marxists in the White House and most of the Democrats in congress and the Senate. Most liberals, I believe, have good intentions. Heal the sick, feed the hungry, save the Earth, etc. But, their policies and plans tend to have the exact opposite effect than what they want. Welfare promotes dependency, equality of outcome policies lower the average, socialism results in wide-spread poverty. But, that doesn't matter, their intentions are what counts. This is like the ABR voters. The results of their actions don't matter to them. They can't look past their self-piety to see the harm their actions, if followed by enough, would cause. Is Romney perfect? No. Is Newt? Is Palin? Was Reagan? No, not one of them. However, Obama is the scourge inflicted on this country. And Romney is the only cure. If by your actions, or inaction, you allow an evil to occur, how can you say those actions are principled? You are intentionally myopic.