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Michigan unions fight to enshrine bargaining rights in constitution
The Washington TImes ^ | 10/8/2012 | Andrea Billups

Posted on 10/08/2012 7:10:12 PM PDT by markomalley

They have been playing defense elsewhere across the Midwest, but labor unions in Michigan have gone on the attack with a proposed first-in-the-nation amendment to the state constitution that would enshrine a right to collective bargaining for public — and private-sector workers — and invalidate any past or future laws to the contrary.

Proposal 2, backed by Michigan’s teachers and other public-employee unions, is being closely watched by labor and management groups across the country after a string of setbacks for the union movement in states such as Wisconsin and Indiana. Other states are likely to follow Michigan’s lead if voters approve the measure Nov. 6, analysts here say.

But Gov. Rick Snyder, who has a business background, generally has shunned the more confrontational approach toward labor adopted by fellow Republican governors such as Wisconsin’s Scott Walker. Much of the state’s business establishment also strongly opposes the measure, saying it will hurt competitiveness and take a big bite out of the state’s ability to control spending.

“It turns government unions into a superlegislature,” said F. Vincent Vernuccio, labor policy director of the pro-market Mackinac Center for Public Policy in Midland, Mich., which calls the measure costly and overreaching. “If passed, it will give government unions an effective veto over legislation passed by elected representatives.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
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The ballot measure says:

A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION REGARDING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING

This proposal would:

  • Grant public and private employees the constitutional right to organize and bargain collectively through labor unions.
  • Invalidate existing or future state or local laws that limit the ability to join unions and bargain collectively, and to negotiate and enforce collective bargaining agreements, including employees’ financial support of their labor unions. Laws may be enacted to prohibit public employees from striking.
  • Override state laws that regulate hours and conditions of employment to the extent that those laws conflict with collective bargaining agreements.
  • Define “employer” as a person or entity employing one or more employees.

Read bullet #3 very carefully. The union contract would be the highest law of the land in Michigan.

If this passes, I can't imagine any business, even Government Motors, staying in Michigan (what businesses are still there, that is)

1 posted on 10/08/2012 7:10:19 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Pure insanity. It’ll probably pass... ;-(


2 posted on 10/08/2012 7:14:03 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Our union government proposal.

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3 posted on 10/08/2012 7:14:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: markomalley
One or more employees can Unionize?

In MI, I guess there's enough Union members, Teachers, etc., that they think they can steal Legislative Authority from The People.

If it passes, MI is toast. They have sure benefited from all the UAW golden benefits, wages, etc., to the tune of all their Auto Industry leaving the state, and their Pension Fund being bailed out with Taxpayer money from the Nation.

4 posted on 10/08/2012 7:14:57 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: markomalley

Collective bargaining against the taxpayers’ dollars should be outlawed. Private sector bargaining is okay providing there is no special involvement from the state other than to prevent criminal activity.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 7:15:48 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: markomalley

Question: In Michigan, is a simple majority on a ballot enough to cause an amendment, or is a super-majority needed either by public or State Legislature vote?


6 posted on 10/08/2012 7:18:29 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: rockrr

I hope it does pass... turn the whole state into Detroit... and give the Dems a place to call home.

The land of mosquitoes and snow.

sorry to Freepers who may reside there.... I heard Wisconsin is nice.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 7:20:33 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: markomalley

Hmmm, that will help the employment situation in MI. The first communist state. No one will buy MI bonds so how are they going to finance their utopia?


8 posted on 10/08/2012 7:23:11 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: mike_9958

It sounds like the idiotic sort of thing that they would try in my state (Washington).


9 posted on 10/08/2012 7:32:23 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: markomalley

If we take away bargaining rights we might just as well have the Chinese come in and govern us. what’s next,.they take away the right to assemble.

If you are upset At the deal the public employee unions got, blame the elected reps that gave it to them.the union reps did their job as they were supposed to do.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 7:34:49 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: traditional1
I think its unlikely to pass. The petitions to get it on the ballot were questionable to begin with and getting it on te ballot is a far cry from actually passing it. After all, look at how many names they collected to recall Scott Walker. Even if it did pass, it will be tied up in court for years.

Plus, there are union members opposed too.

Union member organization blasts decision by union officials to change Michigan's Constitution Founder warns of devastating economic consequences if it passes (scoll down)
11 posted on 10/08/2012 7:40:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: markomalley

How can you pass a law that would invalidate any future laws that may come to pass that goes against this said passed law?


12 posted on 10/08/2012 7:40:21 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: markomalley

The real question should be is whether or not Michigan should adopt a permanent third world economy.


13 posted on 10/08/2012 7:41:11 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
f we take away bargaining rights we might just as well have the Chinese come in and govern us.

Absent a sarcasm tag; you have just written the Dumbest Post in FreeRepublic today - congrats! - NO sarcasm!

14 posted on 10/08/2012 7:44:02 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Nobody is taking away their bargaining rights. That’s the title the union chose to fool the simple minded.


15 posted on 10/08/2012 7:45:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: traditional1

Michigan would just be the start. If it passed in MI, the unions would than cherry pick the states, until every state was under the union thumb.

Then they’d work to overcome the US Constitution.


16 posted on 10/08/2012 7:52:10 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
If you are upset At the deal the public employee unions got, blame the elected reps that gave it to them.the union reps did their job as they were supposed to do.

When it comes to political favors, it takes two to tango. There is, for example, no bribery without a briber and a bribee.

Consequently, blame for the abuse of the public trust represented by politicians colluding with public employee unions is equally distributed. Union reps aren't just "doing their job" when they engage in schemes to screw the taxpayers.

17 posted on 10/08/2012 7:55:35 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: markomalley

DUMB IDEA.

But the solution is not to export jobs.

Bring back US jobs now.


18 posted on 10/08/2012 7:55:53 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: okie01
Consequently, blame for the abuse of the public trust represented by politicians colluding with public employee unions is equally distributed. Union reps aren't just "doing their job" when they engage in schemes to screw the taxpayers.

That's exactly what proposal 1 is about. They want to overturn the emergency manager law because an emergency manager can negate union contracts in cities that are falling deeply into debt. In most cases, those cities are in debt because the unions own the city council members.
19 posted on 10/08/2012 8:03:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rawhide
How can you pass a law that would invalidate any future laws that may come to pass that goes against this said passed law?

The Communists can do anything they want, that's the law.

20 posted on 10/08/2012 8:10:29 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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