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1 posted on 09/30/2012 3:19:58 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; narses; NYer; Salvation; surroundedbyblue

Every pro-lifer needs to be up to speed on this subject.


2 posted on 09/30/2012 3:23:49 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Doctors refute Pelosi! Emphasize “basic care.”

Obamacare's Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative (PELOSI) questioned.

Should that “basic care” stuff be in Obamacare?

"Just give 'em a pill."

Old people never die, they just get in the way.

Obamacare MMMM, MMMM, MMM!

6 posted on 09/30/2012 3:36:20 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

If you don’t believe in euthanasia, go to:

http://www.nrlc.org/euthanasia/willtolive/StatesList.html

Will to Live

Choose your state and follow the instructions.

Also, give a copy to your doctor.


11 posted on 09/30/2012 3:57:00 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I am increasingly of the mind that medical people in the US are losing the trust of their patients, because of the dilution of their Hippocratic oath.

The solution to this is not to seek the redemption of American medical personnel, but to subcontract to medical people who are not ethically tainted. In this case, in Mexico.

Mexican health care is not terrible if you have some money. Much less money than you need in the US. Add to this that they still have a culture of respect for the elderly, and they generally reject the culture of death.

Despite any reservations we might have about quality or technology of care, the bottom line is extraordinary: the best physician in the world is no good if he wants to kill you.

Even a mediocre doctor who wants to save life is better than a good one who has rationalized away the preservation of life. If you see a cross on the wall of a clinic, you are safer than if you do not.


13 posted on 09/30/2012 4:38:20 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; wagglebee

Most of this is true. I have been involved, in the course of my practice, with end-of-life care and terminal illness since 1976.

There ARE evangelists of death, who use people’s reasonable fear of suffering to extend the scope of their activities. Their power is increasing. Patients at the end of their lives ARE vulnerable to manipulation, and “surrogates” sometimes act out of base motives, mostly for financial gain.

I believe direct killing of patients should remain illegal, mostly to block further expansion of the so-called “doctor-assisted-suicide” movement.

However, it remains true that no real doctor (one actually engaged in the care of a patient, especially a patient that the doctor treated for many years) has ever been convicted of a crime under these circumstances, although a few have been indicted.

And this is as it should be. In thirty-six years of attending the dying, I have experienced, twice, cases that would challenge your position on what is permissible and impermissible. This is quite rare, but it is not nonexistent.

It is for this reason that the lay jury is an appropriate safeguard of both the public, and the profession.


18 posted on 09/30/2012 5:19:04 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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Good post.


23 posted on 09/30/2012 5:39:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If your only choice is evil, you've either died and gone to hell, or you're a Republican.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Sarah Palin was Correct


25 posted on 09/30/2012 5:40:42 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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The National Quality Forum, a nonprofit now working closely with Health and Human Services, has identified a need to eliminate “inappropriate/unwanted nonpalliative services at end of life” to achieve its goal of making “quality [health] care affordable.”12

"Unwanted" by whom? The only folks I can think of who don't WANT these folks to have treatment are the ones who want to save a buck and have them die off quickly.

29 posted on 09/30/2012 5:51:11 PM PDT by SuziQ
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I think it is important for the family to be involved and well informed. We worked with hospice for a couple of weeks toward the end of my Dad’s life. They were very helpful and informative.

Dad was dying from terminal bone cancer and we were able to keep him comfortable. He was alert until the last day of his life.

Palliative care can be an excuse for snowing the patient until they quietly die, but it doesn’t have to be. Heaven help those who have no family or friends to watch over them in these days of “reducing health care costs”.


35 posted on 09/30/2012 8:07:20 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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This is a Must Read article. Everyone concerned about not being starved/dehydrated to death, or your friends and loved ones not being starved/dehydrated to death, or concerned that our country is turning into a "Kill the Useless Eaters" dystopia, should read every word of this article. I notice that some moral cretin/s have made sure this thread is now in the Smokey Backroom. I wonder why this thread is a target.

36 posted on 09/30/2012 9:06:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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sfl


56 posted on 10/03/2012 5:32:29 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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