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Sept. 26: Could 2012 Be Like 2008?
The New York Times ^ | September 27, 2012 | Nate Silver

Posted on 09/27/2012 2:51:19 PM PDT by BurningOak

There’s no point in putting it gently: Mitt Romney had one of his worst polling days of the year on Wednesday.

It began with a series of polls from The New York Times, CBS News and Quinnipiac University, released early Wednesday morning, which gave President Obama leads of between 9 and 11 points in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Later in the day, Mr. Romney got polls showing unfavorable numbers for him in Colorado and Iowa.

Unlike many recent days, when Mr. Obama’s national polls were slightly less euphoric than his swing state surveys, Wednesday’s national polls seemed to support the notion that Mr. Obama has a clear lead in the race. The Gallup national tracking poll gave Mr. Obama a six-point lead among registered voters, close to his high mark on the year in that survey. The online tracking poll conducted by Ipsos gave him a six-point lead among likely voters. Another online tracking poll, from the RAND Corporation, put Mr. Obama’s lead at roughly seven and a half percentage points, his largest of the year in that poll. And a national poll for Bloomberg produced by the pollster J. Ann Selzer, who has a strong track record, put Mr. Obama six points ahead.

(Excerpt) Read more at fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; nyslimes; obama; polls; romney; slimes
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To: ConservativeDude

Isn’t that pretty much a requirement for a job like his nowadays? That, or be a militant Muslim. See: Shep Smith, Anderson “My mom’s Gloria Vanderbilt” Cooper, Rachel Maddow, Keithy, most everyone else at MSNBC and CNN, etc., etc.


21 posted on 09/27/2012 3:18:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: BurningOak
Could 2012 Be Like 2008?

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More like.... 1980!!
On steroids...

jmho...

22 posted on 09/27/2012 3:18:35 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Windflier

Yeah I wish things were different...

Wiser man than myself once said that a man cannot chose his destiny, but he can chose to embrace or ignore it. Maybe in some alternative dimension Palin is up on Obama by 20 points, with Nate Silver desperately skewing data to show Obama still has a shot at Illinois.


23 posted on 09/27/2012 3:20:42 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

sure seems to be the case....


24 posted on 09/27/2012 3:22:13 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: BurningOak
Wiser man than myself once said that a man cannot chose his destiny, but he can chose to embrace or ignore it.

Not so. I choose my own destiny every morning when I get out of bed. Palin could have chosen to run, which would have resulted in her winning the White House. That she didn't, remains a mystery to us, but it's a destiny she clearly held within her grasp.

As I said before, that path is still open to her, should she ever choose to walk it.

25 posted on 09/27/2012 3:35:19 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BurningOak; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; Impy; InterceptPoint; randita; Political Junkie Too; ...
Talk show host Michael Medved has a theory, backed by historical statistics, that an incumbent president has to get a greater percentage of the vote in his re-election bid than he did in his previous election in order to win another term. (He can't win unless he gains new adherents.) It's quite obvious that Obama has lost at least some public support from 2008, what with the continuing recession and his pro-Islamic foreign policy, not to mention a slew of other issues. And nothing seems to have changed in the 'rats favor since the spanking they got in the congressional elections in '10. Does anyone know anyone who did not support Zero in '08 and is voting for him this year? Such folks are extremely rare, vastly outnumbered by '08 Obama voters who are disillusioned with him and are either switching to the GOP or staying home this time around.

The main problem with the Slimes' numbers is that they are based on turnout models comparable to '08, when registered 'Rats enjoyed a 7-point advantage in turnout. But Republicans are much more energized than 'rats this time around, so those models are grossly skewed so that the results falsely spit out an Obama edge and a better than realistic likelihood of his winning. The reason for the unrealistic models and skewed polling results is to try to demoralize us. The left media - of which the New York Slined is a key component - is acting in concert to do just that, possibly on orders from their pals at the White House. Don't fall for the deliberately phony statistical tricks employed by the lefty pollsters! See unskewedpolls.com for a more objective assessment.

26 posted on 09/27/2012 3:46:22 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: BurningOak
Can we win an election with an unlikable RINO on the ticket?

Romney is more and more reminding me of a Republican John Kerry. People wanted Bush out, but there was no way they could vote for FaceMelt.

27 posted on 09/27/2012 4:13:22 PM PDT by montag813
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To: justiceseeker93
But Republicans are much more energized than 'rats this time around

That's the whole thing right there-and the left and their media arm know it too-these skewed polls are their attempt to de-energize Republicans and fed-up independents. How in the world would Hussein have more support now, after what's happened to the economy under him, than he did when all he had to do was spout "hype and change" to the clueless voters, and he was a blank slate to the uninformed?
28 posted on 09/27/2012 4:13:55 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: BurningOak

Keep in mind Nate Silver is a homosexual activist. Like Andrew Sullivan in 2008, it is pretty clear Silver sexual politics are playing more of a role in his analysis then any honest appraisal of the facts.

Take a look around. Do you see anything in your day to day life that shows Obama doing as well with voters in 2012 as he did in 2008?

Currently Silver’s analysis is more about influencing votes then then predicting them. In late Oct he is either going to have to dramatically walk back his claims or be rending a pathetic joke.

Take a look at Rassmussen and ignore all the other polling. Rass was the most accurate poll in 2008.


29 posted on 09/27/2012 4:17:11 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: BurningOak

Here’s what you need to do.

Contact some of the GOP chairs in various counties in the swing states. Ask them what they’ve been hearing from the Romney campaign.

The answer will calm your fears.


30 posted on 09/27/2012 4:21:45 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: BurningOak
Here maybe this will help you understand why Silver spinning of the polling is such a disastrous mistake for his future credibility. He is falling into a classic garbage in-garbage out analytical trap.

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31 posted on 09/27/2012 4:22:28 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: reasonisfaith

LOL, because I’m sure the campaign heads are going to admit to every random person who calls them and might be from the media that the campaigns are having problems.


32 posted on 09/27/2012 4:23:10 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: BurningOak

Those are not reliable polling organizations.

It only matters if you’re polling likely voters.


33 posted on 09/27/2012 4:32:57 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: BurningOak
Those of us who fought hard against Romney in the primary could see all of this coming. I beat the drum that he was virtually unelectable due to his MANY weak points and flaws.

The article that perhaps convinced me the most how unelectable he was was this one from the Weekly Standard, especially the line I quoted below in bold. Personal charisma is SO important in a presidential election. It was obvious and proven that Mitt didn't have it. So is political skill. That's why Gingrich was the best choice. He had already proven his ability to win great popularity in a national election.

Whatever you think of his political views, Mitt's just an awful candidate and always has been. A lot of people in the party and so-called conservatives in the media just plain lied to the rank and file to push him through. Appropriate revenge needs to be taken after the election.

Overestimating Romney
Aside from getting votes, he’s a great candidate.
Dec 19, 2011, Vol. 17, No. 14 • By JONATHAN V. LAST

"Romney has the least-impressive electoral history of any Republican frontrunner in a very long time." "Romney has faced voters in 22 contests. He won 5 of those races and lost 17 of them." Against Kennedy, "Romney lost by 17 points in what turned out to be the best year for Republicans in more than half a century."

Romney won governor with UNDER 50% of the vote in a 3-way race. "After three years in office, Romney’s approval rating was so low that he was forced to abandon hope of reelection. Romney’s term concluded with a Democrat winning the governor’s office for the first time in 20 years."

"As Romney began campaigning more actively, voters became less favorably disposed toward him." "No matter where he’s run, whether in primaries or statewide elections, he’s never sold particularly well."

34 posted on 09/27/2012 4:35:02 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: JediJones

Just do this. Speak to them in a forthright manner, telling the truth about your concern for this country.

Then ask them are things as bad as the polls make it seem.

You will get real information from them, and you will see what liars the pollsters are.

Just try it.


35 posted on 09/27/2012 4:38:34 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: montag813
Romney is more and more reminding me of a Republican John Kerry. People wanted Bush out, but there was no way they could vote for FaceMelt.

I made the same point in another thread today...

It feels to me more like 2004, just reversed politically. We have an incumbent who is very unpopular with a very vocal segment of voters, with solid but unspectacular support from his own base. And we have an older, less charismatic challenger from Massachusetts who has an unlikable personality and is making awkward gaffes that are being jumped on by the opposition.

36 posted on 09/27/2012 4:39:26 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: reasonisfaith

I’m not dispirited by the polls. I think there’s still time for a good candidate to improve the campaign and move up in the polls. But I am dispirited by the fact that I’ve studied and observed Romney’s political history for a while now, and I don’t believe he is capable of doing what he needs to do to win. The situation in the country is terrible though, and gas prices more than anything should make it really hard for him to lose. But he just might be a bad enough candidate to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


37 posted on 09/27/2012 4:43:01 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: JediJones

Bush had a 53% approval rating on election day 2004, Obama does not.


38 posted on 09/27/2012 4:44:58 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: JediJones
I’ve studied and observed Romney’s political history

Well apparently you slept thru the 2012 primaries then.

39 posted on 09/27/2012 4:45:54 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: JediJones
Those of us who fought hard against Romney in the primary

Thank you for at least finally being honest. Your crusade against Romney here has more to do with your sour grapes that your candidate did not win the 2012 GOP nomination rather then any honest appraisal of the facts.

40 posted on 09/27/2012 4:47:40 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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