Posted on 09/09/2012 10:23:41 AM PDT by Mozilla
If he (Mitt), were a Buddhist vs. the current president, would you vote for him?
Is it more relevant that a president,( or presidential candidate), has a Mormon religious background, or that he has Marxist political leanings, (and 3 year history of disastrous policies for our nation)?
Mitt could be a dread-locked Rastafarian and still be a better choice for our nation. Imagine what the next 4 years will be like with Obama and Co. in charge.
BTW I went to Glenn Beck's Restoring Love (AWESOME!) event in Texas.
The night before, he had a gathering of religious leaders and people, from every faith ,(thousands of people), and we were praying together, for the restoration of our religious liberty.
Our freedom to practice religion is under attack. Think about that. The democrats just openly booed God at their convention. Will things get better, or worse, for us ,(regardless of what religion we practice), if Obama gets another 4 years?
Buddhists do not claim to be Christians.
Romney may have more than one wife in a celestial marriage, we don’t know.
When Beck prayed who did he pray to?
mormonism teaches multiple godS.
If Romney were a Rastafarian at least he would be interesting.
I'll remember that!
The bothersome reply
"I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it."
The reporter wrote, "On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain." That's an unfortunate conclusion. Of course I wasn't at the interview and neither were you but I'll bet the reporter mistook careful thoughtfulness for uncertainty. This doctrine is indeed deep territory and not something that is taught outside the LDS Church.
An earlier and similar interview
The San Francisco Chronicle, published an interview with President Hinckley in April of 1997. The reporter asked, "There are some significant differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormon's believe that God was once a man?" President Hinckley responded, "I wouldn't say that. There is a little couplet coined, 'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.'"
He then said, "Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about." The reporter pounced on this. "So you're saying that the church is still struggling to understand this? " President Hinckley responded, "Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly."
President Hinckley's response
President Hinckley said in October 1997 General Conference: "I personally have been much quoted, and in a few instances misquoted and misunderstood. I think that's to be expected. None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine.
"I think I understand them thoroughly, and it is unfortunate that the reporting may not make this clear. I hope you will never look to the public press as the authority on the doctrines of the Church." And there lies the whole point of my post today. Some members did indeed become a little concerned by the exchanges they read in the press reports of those interviews.
Does the Church still teach this?
I know this is old news but it still bothers some people when they discover the anti-Mormon attacks floating around on the Internet. President Hinckley was right. We really don't know much about how our Heavenly Father became a God. The idea that he passed through a mortal probationary state like you and me is certainly not documented in any scripture of which I know.
However, it is still taught. In the Gospel Principles manual in the chapter on exaltation we read, "Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)."
Summary and conclusion
I don't know why this should bother anyone. The doctrine is true. Joseph Smith knew a whole lot more about this than I do. President Hinckley also knew a whole lot more about this doctrine than he was willing to share with reporters who did not have the background to understand it. It must have been difficult for President Hinckley to hold back and not teach it in those interviews.
It didn't bother me when I read the interviews back in 1997 and it doesn't bother me today. However, I know it does bother some people. We each have trials of our faith. I have never depended on an intellectual understanding of the gospel in order to accept it and live it. There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
Did you REALLY mean to call Cathy a liar here?
Our freedom to practice religion is under attack. Think about that. The democrats just openly booed God at their convention.
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Your whole post is a contradiction...
Just what were you trying to say...
I chose this particular part because since this threead is about mormonism and you reference Willard and his beliefs, there naturally are some glaring questions to be asked...
For instance since you stated “The democrats just openly booed God at their convention” and seem to require that we are “Think about that” I’ll offer the following comment..
If it offendes you to have the democrats do such a thing, why on Earth would you chose to hang out with people who do that ???
Mormons have doctrines and temple rituals on booing the GTod of the Bible and yet that does not seem to offend you...
Joey Smith stsrted his mormonism religion to boo God after he had been excommunicated from the Methodist Church for immoral unChristian acts and from the Presbyterian Church for enticing members to join his religion and spreading blasphemy amongst the congregation...
From the beginning he made doctrines that went against the Ten commandments and managed to trespass in all Ten...
He wanted to copy Mohammad and his resulting religion is closer to Islam than Christianity which he and his followers denounced...
blaspheming God, adultery, murder, stealing, coveting you name them they became a “virtue” in Smith’s new religion...
In the end Smith announced he was greater than the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible and one month later Jesus destroyed Joey Smith...
for more than 15 years God put up with the lies and evil and sins of Joey Smith...the raping of underaged girls, his occult practices, his murder and stealing..
at any time Joey Smith could have repented and been saved by the Blood that the LORD Jesus Christ shed on the Cross for Joey...
Joey died still in need of salvation..with a pagan Jupiter talisman arounds his neck or in his pocket for luck...he was never without it...
But God will not be mocked...
Joey Smith died an ignoble death shooting his way out of jail...he murdered at least 2 men in the process and his own brother got a bullet in the back that could have only come from Joeys gun...unless Taylor had one..
and calling out to the Free Masons in the crowd of mormons who were gathered outsuide to save him...
“Is there no help for the widow’s son ?”
Smith was a Mason having gone to the top the first day he joined along with his followers...
From the first their secret temple clothes and rituals included Masonic designs and handshakes and signs..
and today the mormon temples are decorsted with masonic symbols..
And God is still booed by the mormons ...
and they attack freedom of religion everytime they knock on the door of a Christian to say we are going to Hell if we dont become Mormons...
and everty time they deny the Trinity...
and every time they say that the LORD Jesus Christ is not God...
and that the Virgin Mary had sex with their mormon god to get pregnant..
and every time they say their book of mormon is the truth but the Chrsitian Bible is not...
All this is part of your deep concern isnt it ???
Heck; you won't even find them in ANY of MORMONism's scriptures; either!
Merely something made up by men...
Heck; you won't even find them in ANY of MORMONism's scriptures; either!
Merely something made up by men...
NOTHING 'ended' then!
The MORMON god did NOT tell them to stop: read it for yourself in the OD1
...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’
Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.
Correct.
Why?
The MORMONs have done a REAL good job of CONDEMNING Christianity without that knowledge!
MOOOOOO
Oh???
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp
No, unless the other person is calling me one.
JFK was just a normal Catholic, not a Bishop, not even a Priest, and he did not seek the permission of his Pope to run for president.
Bishop Romney is a power within his religion and he has excommunicated Mormons, and sat in judgement of their earning an opportunity to become Gods, and Mitt Romney did seek a personal meeting with his Holy Prophet, to get permission to run for president.
They CAN'T!
They would have to admit one of their leaders had been WRONG, and THAT is DEFINITELY not allowed!
If THAT happens; then the ol' Spirit of Apostacy is lurking at their door; and, by gum, they REALLY don't want that to happen!
mormonism does not show the Love of the Biblical Jesus, they talk about the lds jesus, who is not the same Jesus of the Bible.
They gain converts by dispensation and out right lies about what mormonism is.
As well, as numbers being inflated. Their membership is about 14mil worldwide, yet it is presented as the US membership.
And never forget, once a member always a member.
DUH!!!
2 Timothy 3:12
Yea, and all that would live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
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