Posted on 08/25/2012 6:34:50 AM PDT by C19fan
Mike Huckabee rallied hundreds of Southern Baptists on a conference call Friday night in support of Todd Akin, offering advice about how they can help the embattled Missouri Senate candidate stay in the race — while acknowledging Akin still may have to bow out.
“This could be a Mt. Carmel moment,” said the former Arkansas governor, referring to the holy battle between Elijah and the prophets of Baal in the book of Kings. “You know, you bring your gods. We’ll bring ours. We’ll see whose God answers the prayers and brings fire from heaven. That’s kind of where I’m praying: that there will be fire from heaven, and we’ll see it clearly, and everyone else will to.”
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Freepers warned us 4 yrs ago that he was our Jimma Carter, and they where right.
While he did good with the Chick-Fil-A thing, he has probably cost us 60 in the Senate and will give us slim margins to get anything done.
I wonder if it isn't payback to Romney for some reason we don't know about in 08'.
BTW he FUBAR'd 08' so bad I still blame him for a lot of the mess that gave us McCain.
He may have FUBAR'd things for Romney, us, and America more than we will ever know..
This is fascinating.
First, I’ve always believed that Mike Huckabee is a solid social conservative, and I was in support of him over McCain. He was more pro-life, more natural family (megan mccain), just as much a defense hawk, just as much a fiscal conservative, and no worse on the border issue.
The fascinating thing, though, is that this is Mike Huckabee coming out AGAINST the Romney forces, who were totally in for the destruction of Todd Akin. Huckabee’s news release supporting Akin overflowed with BITTERNESS about the treatment of social conservatives in the Republican Party. He drew a line in the sand.
That suggests to me that Huckabee does not think Romney will win. I see it as Huck thinking of another run in 2016.
Do you think Akins holds these positions?
This forum is filled with pro-life conservatives. Can you name one who would take the positions you just suggested?
If not, then your argument is a classic straw man argument.
BTW if you are advocating for abortion on this forum then you are on the wrong forum. This is a pro-life forum and I don't think you will find a single Freeper who would take the positions that you suggested.
If there is one consolation in this mess, it’s that Huckabee has driven the final nail in any presidential aspirations that he may have had. He has exposed himself as a fool who lacks judgement.
Spare us the “but he’s a conservative who votes on laws the way we want”. There are millions of people in this country who would vote conservatively on fiscal and social issues, therefore that may be a necessary trait, but it is by no means sufficient. Presidents must demonstrate good judgement. Huck has not.
And also spare us the “he won’t abandon a soldier on the battlefield” horse pucky. If a soldier repeatedly takes reckless action that not only endangers himself but the rest of his group, you remove him from the battle and try to help him after the battle is over.
What Akin has done is extremely damaging because it reinforces, in the mind of independents and moderate republicans, the notion that many social conservatives subscribe to junk science and crazy theories. They recoil from that and fear what social conservatives might do if in power. In other words, if Republicans will accept the “woman’s body can shut it down” crowd, what else will they tolerate. And that is how you lose elections and allow the left to drive through awful laws.
Screaming “RINO RINO RINO” won’t solve the matter, nor will it sway people to the conservative side. Akin, and now Huckabee, must be ostracized, because they are willfully harming the conservative cause.
Plus old modern day Elmer likes fine living so keeping the media stuff going is important .
He build a Palace on the beach in Destin FL which ran millions over budget.
So the golly gee simple country boy act is an ACT.
The guy is a product of ARK politics , that says it all.
There are very few times when I've seen a post advocating such nonsense about social conservatives as does that last post.
There are no social conservatives I know of advocating the criminalization of contraception. That is just pure BS, and can only come from a totally uninformed person. Many conservatives do BELIEVE in not using contraception, but do not BELIEVE that contraception snuffs out a life. IOW, it is not an abortion. Their objection to contraception is that it is a human effort to play God about birth and death. That is a personal religious position that they never have had any intention of imposing on others.
So far as an ectopic pregnancy that is a life of the mother issue, there is no problem with surgery for an ectopic pregnancy. If that tube is removed, then the baby dies, but the intent was not to kill the baby.
That is the issue with abortion: it is ALWAYS and foremost a direct assault on the life of a baby. It is severed limbs, sucked out brains, chemical scalding, etc. It's intent is ALWAYS to kill a living being. And they would have to kill it if it weren't living. And if it weren't human it would result in a cow, pig, dog, camel, etc. But, lo and behold, it always results in a human being.
There are very few times when I've seen a post advocating such nonsense about social conservatives as does that last post.
There are no social conservatives I know of advocating the criminalization of contraception. That is just pure BS, and can only come from a totally uninformed person. Many conservatives do BELIEVE in not using contraception, but do not BELIEVE that contraception snuffs out a life. IOW, it is not an abortion. Their objection to contraception is that it is a human effort to play God about birth and death. That is a personal religious position that they never have had any intention of imposing on others.
So far as an ectopic pregnancy that is a life of the mother issue, there is no problem with surgery for an ectopic pregnancy. If that tube is removed, then the baby dies, but the intent was not to kill the baby.
That is the issue with abortion: it is ALWAYS and foremost a direct assault on the life of a baby. It is severed limbs, sucked out brains, chemical scalding, etc. It's intent is ALWAYS to kill a living being. And they would NOT have to kill it if it weren't living. And if it weren't human it would result in a cow, pig, dog, camel, etc. But, lo and behold, it always results in a human being.
There are very few times when I've seen a post advocating such nonsense about social conservatives as does that last post.
There are no social conservatives I know of advocating the criminalization of contraception. That is just pure BS, and can only come from a totally uninformed person. Many conservatives do BELIEVE in not using contraception, but do not BELIEVE that contraception snuffs out a life. IOW, it is not an abortion. Their objection to contraception is that it is a human effort to play God about birth and death. That is a personal religious position that they never have had any intention of imposing on others.
So far as an ectopic pregnancy that is a life of the mother issue, there is no problem with surgery for an ectopic pregnancy. If that tube is removed, then the baby dies, but the intent was not to kill the baby.
That is the issue with abortion: it is ALWAYS and foremost a direct assault on the life of a baby. It is severed limbs, sucked out brains, chemical scalding, etc. It's intent is ALWAYS to kill a living being. And they would NOT have to kill it if it weren't living. And if it weren't human it would result in a cow, pig, dog, camel, etc. But, lo and behold, it always results in a human being.
Excellent quote from the late Hitchens, which I did not know about, even as it did ironically come from a decidedly “anti-religious” book.
And everything else you yourself stated was absolutely right on.
As strenuously as the current GOP has tried to excommunicate
Akin, distance themselves from him and his views, the damage
has already been done, and the Dems got the red meat they were waiting for—they will play it to the hilt, even if Akin drops out, by unfairly portraying him as the face of the Republican view on this issue, and indistinguishable from Romney/Ryan.And no one should ever forget that HE was the candidate the Dems WANTED—he fit perfectly into the scenario they are now enjoying, and exploiting.
His Saturday Fox show is always very well done. He is extremely good with a crowd, in an interview, with a band, in a pulpit, with a joke, and with just good ole down-hominess.
Anti-Christians and/or anti-Evangelical bigots, on the other hand, tend not to like him.
It is true to some extent that women under prolonged periods of extreme physical and or emotional stress have a higher rate of miscarriage and that some women under prolonged periods of extreme physical and or emotional stress may stop ovulating (you can see this in some women in highly competitive athletics who train hard for many hours a day – gymnasts, marathoners, etc.) But for a woman to be under such stress as to change her hormonal chemistry, that requires a very high level of stress over a prolonged period, not an instance of stress over a short period of time. If what you are claiming to be true, then any pregnant woman who had a bad or stressful day during her pregnancy would miscarry. Any woman in a bad marriage, in a bad economic situation, a stressful job or any number of sorts of life’s daily stresses, would never be able to conceive or carry a pregnancy to term.
A woman who happens to be ovulating when she is raped, assuming she is raped vaginally and that the rapist “completes” the act and is not himself infertile, simply has no mental or physical ability to prevent impregnation nor does the emotional stress of being raped guarantee that she will miscarry.
They are right here on Free Republic. I have interacted with them. They came out of the closet right after the Fluke fiasco.
“We are trying to win and election here. Not climb Dong Ap Bia.”
That’s precisely the reason conservatism on the whole suffers. So long as the Akin’s of the conservative world receive support, the Paul Ryan’s of the conservative world will have to work that much harder to overcome the drag.
What on God’s Green Earth does that have to do with anything? Why do you think the relative likelihood of a rape victim conceiving is important to know in the discussion about an abortion exception for rape?
Discussions of anything other than how to win this election are foolish. It is Akin vs. McCaskill. Period.
I dare to disagree. I have seen many posts here by pro-lifers here that claim that the Pill is an abortifacient and that emergency contraception is the very same thing as and no different from an abortion and that it should be outlawed. That may be a minority opinion but it is a position by some on the pro-life side.
So far as an ectopic pregnancy that is a life of the mother issue, there is no problem with surgery for an ectopic pregnancy. If that tube is removed, then the baby dies, but the intent was not to kill the baby.
I agree with you but you cannot deny that some think otherwise.
Yes he is Keeping the campaign funds in the family checking account / legal election funds scam. The clown will not be a class act and step aside for the greater good.
His crazy comments and overall pathetic behavior is hurting a bunch of other unrelated GOP MO candidates.
There were three other strong pro life GOP MO primary candidates so he isn't that unique.
He and his wife /son desperation to hang onto there PRIVILEDGED DC Lifestyle is disgusting. What is the point if this GOPe talking point. And the Huckster is playing this fool to stay relevant and self promote his dull TV and radio shows is disgraceful too.
Now we are making up stuff like the left does, acting like jr high kids. I've tried to debate people logically, (he said something wrong and apologized) but like liberals, we must you do what you say, think what you want us to think, vote like you say & shut up.
Fine, we can move out of the party in mass to anyone but the proved liberal romney. Is that what you want? Two days ago I watched people who use to tell me to hold my nose and vote romney say they had enough and won't vote for romney over the gop treatment of Akin and the closed minded blind hate of those who call themselves conservative here on FR, but are willing to lower their standards for someone who lied to the primary voters. (I bet there is at least one Obama campaign worker here stoking the fire so true conservatives turn from romney) Anything romney does is fine, just like democrats accept anything Obama does. That is why this country is so screwed up. Everyone is lower their standards and just playing politics to win.
Hope you enjoy your threads of nothing but "lets all tell each other how much we hate Akin and think of more hateful things to say." You could go to DU and cut and paste your hateful comments and post them here.
That deserves to be said again and again. :-)
The only so-called “contraception” that would raise ire would be the abortifacient drugs.
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