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1 posted on 08/22/2012 6:29:56 AM PDT by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer
Although these cuts will not directly lead Medicare clients to pay more or lose coverage, they will end with many doctors and hospitals refusing to treat them at all.

That is what many, many people (mostly liberals) do not understand. A doctor does not have to accept Medicare patients. Many have already stopped taking on new Medicare patients. The unintended consequence is there will come a time in the very near future when a Medicare patient will not be accepted............

2 posted on 08/22/2012 6:35:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: Evil Slayer

“...had John Roberts not changed his mind”

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Changed his mind? I think he was bribed or coerced.


3 posted on 08/22/2012 6:35:36 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Evil Slayer
covering 30 million new clients by draining millions from providers of Medicare.

Funny, the main selling point of ObamaCare was covering some 30M uninsured. Coulda just done the same Medicare trick without all the consternation.

(Yes, am aware it was smoke-and-mirrors...)

4 posted on 08/22/2012 6:35:49 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Evil Slayer

Considering the slim odds of Obamacare being repealed, which will likely take a fillibuster-proof senate and a 14 seat gain (Snowe, Collins, Scott Brown can’t be counted on), I would say this article is garbage. Roberts screwed us, plain and simple. Obamacare is still the law and likely will be forever thanks to Justice Roberts.


5 posted on 08/22/2012 6:37:40 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Evil Slayer

I would gladly trade a ruling that maintained Constitutional precepts rather than a temporary political victory that has not even come to fruition yet. Pragmatics that run DC are the cause not the cure.


6 posted on 08/22/2012 6:37:40 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Evil Slayer

This is the sort of thing the electorate should be talking about.

Instead, thanks to Todd Akin’s ignorance and hubris, we’re talking about and will continue to talk about whether “legitimate rape” can result in pregnancy.


8 posted on 08/22/2012 6:40:07 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Evil Slayer

Roberts may have thought he was protecting the Court, but in fact he has done the exact opposite.

Everything that touches SCOTUS will now be hyper-partisan, today and for the foreseeable future. If we think we’ve seen some bloody knock-down dragouts of confirmation battles, we ain’t seen nothing yet.

I half expect one Party or the other to try and resurrect the FDR Court Packing plan.


10 posted on 08/22/2012 6:40:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Evil Slayer
This is sort of like reasoning that it is a good thing Jimbo Carter was elected president in 1976 instead of Gerald Ford.

True, we might not have had eight wonderful years of Ronald Reagan and the collapse of the iron curtain.

But we also wouldn't be facing a batsh*t crazy nuclear Iran and a Panama Canal Zone controlled by the Red Chinese.

For the sake of the righteous, I still have a childlike belief that God is looking out for and actually cares what happens to this country.

But he allows the American sheeple to experience the results of wicked leadership from time to time so that we are schooled in the consequences of choosing wickedness.

12 posted on 08/22/2012 6:44:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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Second, were Obamacare no longer the law, we might be seeing an uptick in hiring right now. Instead, that will be deferred until after November (and then possibly only if Romney's elected), and unemployment is rising in 44 states.

AWESOME! That's fantastic! Perish the thought that things may actually start to improve for me or people I love if it hurts Mitt Romney's chances. /s

I'm still and always will be sorry about Roberts' ruling. The Constitution of the United States is not a political toy to be played with.
14 posted on 08/22/2012 6:46:15 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Evil Slayer

This article reminds me of the fans who say that a favorite team should lose on purpose to get a high draft pick.

Not to mention the fact that the ACA is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, no matter WHAT Roberts and the other four say.


17 posted on 08/22/2012 6:50:44 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Evil Slayer

Roberts was, is and always will be wrong.


19 posted on 08/22/2012 6:58:06 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Evil Slayer

Whos Sorry Now
Artist: Connie Francis

Who’s sorry now, who’s sorry now
Whose heart is achin’ for breakin’ each vow
Who’s sad and blue, who’s cryin’ too
Just like I cried over you

Right to the end just like a friend
I tried to warn you somehow
You had your way, now you must pay
I’m glad that you’re sorry now

Right to the end just like a friend
I tried to warn you somehow
You had your way, now you must pay
I’m glad that you’re sorry now


23 posted on 08/22/2012 7:11:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: Evil Slayer

We often hear excuses made that Roberts was considering the “future” and “reputation” of the court or has some grand political calculus that none of us mortals can fathom.

RUBBISH. Obamacare was clearly unconstitutional - all he had to do was write a simple and clear opinion that tells everyone exactly why. His job is then done.


25 posted on 08/22/2012 7:22:53 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Evil Slayer

Roberts is a traitor to his oath and the US Constitution he pledged to uphold. Nothing less.


29 posted on 08/22/2012 7:35:47 AM PDT by vortigern
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To: Evil Slayer

The above points are good ones, but to impute thereby that Roberts is “one of us” is a grave error.

Like many things spawned by the Bush Administration, Roberts appointment will prove to be a Constitutionally flawed one and this is not the FIRST decision this guy has failed us on.

Further, in addition to his defective views of the Constiution and Court Review of that document, Roberts has demonstrated he is a moral coward - a man effected by the impact of the leftist media and not by the merits of the issue at hand. He may even be swayed by the values of his corrupt collegues Bader-Ginsberg, Soto-Mayor and Kagen - the three witches of the Macbeth scene being played out now by the High Court.

It bodes evil for the future.


30 posted on 08/22/2012 7:39:21 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: Evil Slayer

Who’s sorry about the Roberts Ruling Now?

I am.

Let’s never forget that he betrayed the Constitution, and “re-wrote” a massive bill into something it was not meant to be.

The ends do not justify the means.


33 posted on 08/22/2012 7:49:39 AM PDT by privatedrive
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To: Evil Slayer

we will never get rid of ObamaCare until the collapse of civilization


42 posted on 08/22/2012 8:48:49 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Evil Slayer

In all fairness, the Roberts decision has done more than destroyed Obamacare. It also seriously undermines federal power across the board. Several ways of looking at this.

1) An essential element of Obamacare was the destruction of Medicare and Medicaid, which on their own, amount to 23% of the US federal budget (actually more, because due to Obama’s profligate spending, the *percent* of the budget for these has been reduced from close to 40% in just a few years.)

And Medicare and Medicaid, in their current forms, are unsustainable, but politically cannot be reformed, so *have* to be killed off. And Obamacare has done a lot to kill them.

So this means that when the Republicans gut Obamacare, it will still leave a much reduced Medicare and Medicaid, that instead of attempting to rebuild, *might possibly* be reformed. The best way of doing this would be to “de-federalize” them, just giving block grants to the states based on per capita need, with minimal federal oversight.

Importantly, if Republicans do *this*, then they are given a gift with the Roberts decision:

2) If the go the block grant way, it establishes a low baseline for what states have to do, and *anything* else the feds want to add in the future *must* come out of the federal purse alone — because they cannot demand that the states pay for expansions.

Importantly, this applies to other programs the Republicans decide to block grant to the states. This could save the states billions of dollars annually, and make those programs much harder to enlarge.

3) Roberts really had no choice but to vote the way he did. It is likely that Justice Kennedy would have jumped ship to join the majority, approving ALL Obamacare, unless
Roberts did. But, one of the few unique duties of the chief justice is that he has the right to *assign* who will write the majority decision, even if he is not on it.

But if Roberts did vote with the majority, he could assign the majority decision to himself, and he did.

He knew that the liberal justices would *never* vote against Obamacare, no matter what he wrote, as long as Obamacare was upheld. So he included a handful of “poison pills” to the decision, and gave the next congress, likely a Republican one, lots of opportunities to sink Obamacare, as well as neuter a whole bunch of other federal programs.


44 posted on 08/22/2012 8:53:04 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Evil Slayer

Read Tonight Bump!


51 posted on 08/22/2012 9:30:28 AM PDT by Pagey (B. Hussein Obama is weak, and is a worse human being than F.D.R., on multiple levels.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Instead, that will be deferred until after November (and then possibly only if Romney's elected) . . .

I'm not hiring until Obama is out of office and ObamaCare is completely repealed. I currently have zero employees, down from well over 50, and I'm going to stay at zero until that huge federally mandated cost is removed from the list of considerations.

59 posted on 08/22/2012 11:35:11 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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