Posted on 08/20/2012 6:44:29 PM PDT by doug from upland
Anyone who wants to sign a petition to get Akin to drop out of race can go to dickmorris.com. After signing petition-there is a letter that can be edited and sent to your own senators asking them to encourage him to resign from the race...has to be done by tomorrow.
Any who have conservative senators should definitely sign this petition...your state and name go with your letter to your senator (s). Please help pressure this man to step down.
He made a fatal error as far as his career is concerned. And he may have hurt his nation by using such a crazy, offensive comment causing us to lose a very critical potential senate seat.
I must again make clear that I want him to go. I was taking an opportunity to stick it to the opposition, whose party supports absolutely anything -— even a rapist and a guy who should have been charged with at least manslaughter.
A correction, if I may. Kennedy did run for president and just missed beating a sitting President Carter in 1980.
What are you talking about?? You are a Rat.
>> He is an idiot.
The idiocy lies in the refusal to understand what he meant.
Here’s what I get from his thinking:
Abortion shouldn’t be permitted in the cases of “legitimate”, i.e. forcible rape because women don’t get pregnant anyway (magic fairy dust?).
Abortion shouldn’t be permitted in cases of statutory (i.e. illegitimate) rape because it’s, well, “illegitimate”.
The use of the word “legitimate” was not a gaffe. It was fully intentional because it fits his rationale as to why abortion should be illegal in all cases.
But, after the fact, he and his defenders are claiming the word “legitimate” was a gaffe and he really meant forcible.
It wasn’t a gaffe. He meant it that way.
Why must he go?
Why would we want McCaskill's chosen opponent as our nominee, especially now that he has demonstrated why she wants him?
#2 - the nightmare scenario. But I truly fear this could prove true.
Stranger and stupider things have happened.
re: “You utterly disgust me.” “You are a whining disloyal scum.”
How nice. Well, now that you have gotten that off your chest, how does it feel to look like a major league *sshole?
I guess we will let our fellow FReepers decide whether I am just as bad as Obama. Or, will they conclude that you appear to have an anger problem and a mental problem?
First, legitimate rape. This is a term that he used to distinguish real rape from statutory rape and fake rape. He's correct on this, and I wouldn't ask him to withdraw solely over this.
Second, rarity of pregnancy from rape. The only data available put the number at 5%, which one can argue support his claim. Here, it's a bit more shaky than the first point, but I might still not call for his withdrawal if the problem is this point alone.
The third one is his assessment that woman's body somehow has a built-in mechanism that prevents pregnancy from rape. This is wrong, as the fact that he recognizes the while rare, pregnancy is not impossible. So, his body mechanism argument just doesn't fly and had we allowed this argument, it follows that the women who got pregnant were not legitimately raped. Taken together with the other two points above, his statement is very difficult to defend. I cannot imagine he can do anything positive in the debate where rape is the main issue.
Beyond the three points above, there is political reality. As a Republican candidate, he unnecessarily dragged the whole election to talk about rape, instead of the economy. Rape is deeply personal and emotional issues, and unlike abortion, the women are the victims here. As such, any mistake like the third point above would be explosive, and it is already. His mistake will affect not only his own race but also the other conservatives in their own races.
Well stated.
Sorry Missourian, your guy (or not your guy, since you didn’t vote for him) is endangering the republican/conservative/pro-life cause for the entire nation.
If you like the idea of Obama getting re-elected I guess you like the idea of another Kagen/Sotomayor, or 2 or 3 on the court.
At that point you can pretty much kiss many of your constitutionally protected freedoms goodbye. And forget about R v. W being overturned.
By the end of those (hypothetical) justices tenures we’ll be happy if this is just another 3rd world banana republic and not indeed part of the caliphate.
And yeah, I’d blame Akin for that.
Akin was born in New York City, the son of Nancy Perry (née Bigelow) and Rev. Paul Bigelow Akin. He moved to St. Louis and attended John Burroughs School. After graduating, he attended the Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Worcester, Massachusetts where he earned a degree in management engineering, and in 1984 he earned a Master of Divinity degree at Covenant Theological Seminary in St. Louis. During college he was member of Phi Gamma Delta fraternity.
From 1972 to 1980, Akin served in the Missouri National Guard. After his military career, he took up work at IBM as an engineer and later became a manager at Laclede Steel Company.
Akin was elected to the Missouri House of Representatives in 1988, representing Town and Country and much of West County. He won re-election in 1990 (59%), 1992 (100%), 1994 (70%), 1996 (67%), and 1998 (66%). 12 years in the state house, Akin voted for carrying concealed weapons, voted against the parks and soils sales tax, voted against the 1993 tax increase and education spending increase. Akin sponsored legislation to prohibit casino companies from contributing to Missouri state lawmakers. In 1995, he fought Democrat Governor Mel Carnahan on state-funding for abortion, which Akin opposed.
In 2000, Republican U.S. Representative Jim Talent vacated the seat in his unsuccessful run for Governor of Missouri. Akin won a closely contested Republican primary election to replace Talent, defeating former St. Louis County Executive Gene McNary and State Senator Franc Flotron. He defeated Democratic State Senator Ted House in the general election, winning 55 percent of the vote. He never faced another contest even that close, and was reelected five times.
In 2010, Akin won re-election with 67.9% of the vote. He had been challenged for the seat by Democratic nominee Arthur Lieber, Libertarian nominee Steve Mosbacher, and write-in candidate Patrick M. Cannon.
Akin has a lifetime ACU rating of 97.24.
YEP —
This situation reminds me of the professor that lost his job because he used the word “niggardly” offending the uneducated, hyper-reactionaries.
Legitimate: “able to be defended with logic or justification”. In other words, that which is not falsely claimed.
Because, like it or not, RINO is part of the GOP. They’re actually only about 30%, but their influence feels bigger because of the failure of the conservative wing to unite. Or perhaps, which I increasingly believe, it’s only a myth that there is a homogenous ‘conservative wing’ in the party. Just like the principle of individualism that Republicans share, each individual has his/her own preference on various issues.
He sounds like a Nazi Dr:
Vimmen who are violently raped vill not become pregnant..
The man just had to talk about something no one wanted to hear, when there are a ton of things to beat the dems up with.
I think Sola Veritas was referring to the establishment RINOs. A paragraph break would have made that a bit more clear.
“I wanted to say to all of you that you do not have to shut up.”
Don’t worry, we won’t!
Saw you next post too, yes, he was dreadful on Hannity. I listened with an open mind.
This is simple stuff. He might have at least stood up for women who have been “legitimately” raped and gone on to bear their children. I’ve heard their stories, has he?
"The controversy started after Akin, a six-term Missouri conservative now running against Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, was asked in a local interview on Sunday whether he would support abortions for women who have been raped.
"It seems to me first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," Akin said in the interview. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said of a rape victim's chances of becoming pregnant.
Some liberals tried to tie other Republicans to Akin's comments, noting that Romney's running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan, co-sponsored an abortion-related bill with Akin that would have limited federal funding for abortions to victims of forcible rape," rather than just rape. The FBI's definition of rape is known as "forcible rape," and it is used to distinguish between statutory rape and other kinds of rape.
Huckabee asked Akin whether he was talking about "forcible rape" when he used the term "legitimate rape."
"I was talking about forcible rape, and it was absolutely the wrong word," Akin said.
Akin said he understands that women can become pregnant from rape. "I didn't mean to imply that wasn't the case," he said. "That does happen."
Do you really believe that the Dems will not go after any Rep who believes that abortion is wrong even in the case of rape and incest? Paul Ryan will be the next target as indicated above. Akin should have said "forcible" rape, not legitimate rape. Regardless, he made a verbal gaffe. Is that reason enough to nullify the results of the primary and force him to withdraw from the race?
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