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1 posted on 08/20/2012 6:13:31 AM PDT by raptor22
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From what I've seen on commercials, I got the impression that swords and bows and arrows were the only means of self-defense in the future.

I'm not sure how an EMP attack would cause gunpowder to become inert, but maybe those Hollywood boys know something I don't ...

2 posted on 08/20/2012 6:18:38 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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There are still ways to insulate many electronics against EMP attacks. You can bet that railroads would start scrambling to find and restore steam locomotives to working order again though, i.e. if their diesel locomotive generators and traction motors cannot be repaired fast enough . . . (steam locomotives are immune to EMPs, being fully mechanical; and there are a number of them still at many museums and tourist railroads around the country)
3 posted on 08/20/2012 6:19:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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I'm more concerned about a repeat of the 1859 Carrington event than I am of man-made emp. Not that I'm terribly worried about either.

/johnny

4 posted on 08/20/2012 6:20:17 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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Reading the book “One Second After” woke me up to the threat.
But, another thought; if there is a movie or tv series about it it won’t happen. (Hopefully!)


6 posted on 08/20/2012 6:24:01 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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Hunting/Fishing/Camping/Hiking - Recreational Activities/Hobbies that can pay dividends.


7 posted on 08/20/2012 6:27:34 AM PDT by Sax
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Apocalypse soon ping


10 posted on 08/20/2012 6:29:50 AM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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IIRC the Whitney Streiber book “Warday” covered this scenario quite extensively. The depression caused by loss of currency in electronic tranit was the most significant result as well as the physical destruction caused by the relatively few warheads that were able to reach their targets after the EMP was set off. In that story, the US and Soviet (yes, it predates the breakup of the USSR) EMP weapons were hidden in satellites that were able to maneuver over the target countries and eject their weapons.


11 posted on 08/20/2012 6:31:02 AM PDT by chimera
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My tin foil hat acts as a Faraday cage and protects my brain from EMP damage.
I'm covered.
12 posted on 08/20/2012 6:36:23 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party of No, Nobama, No Way, No How!)
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*yawn* This makes 5,024 stories about living after the end of tech. These Bozos clearly have no knowledge of sci fi.


13 posted on 08/20/2012 6:36:26 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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Put me in the camp that believes the EMP threat is being hyped to a certain extent. Yes, it could be very disruptive, but so much is theoritical about how much would be disrupted, for how long and the extent of the areas affected.


14 posted on 08/20/2012 6:38:42 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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Walking Dead without the zombies.

Wouldn’t older cars work??


16 posted on 08/20/2012 6:47:13 AM PDT by Sybeck1
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Could you imagine New York City, L.A., Philly, etc., with no power, no cell phones, and no transportation? Those cities would burn to the ground in an orgy of mayhem. Rural areas, farms, etc, would survive, but I would not want to be in the cities.
19 posted on 08/20/2012 6:52:08 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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As an electrical engineer, I’m pretty sure I’ll figure out a way to have my and my neighbors’ lights back on soon after. That show is full of characters who can’t even change a tire.


20 posted on 08/20/2012 6:54:31 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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From the promos, I thought it was more like S.M Sterlings “Dies The Fire”, where all modern technology and even firearms are disabled by witchcraft.

Even with the power off, those people in the promos aren’t going to get too far slinging a sword against rifles, pistols and shotguns.


23 posted on 08/20/2012 7:04:35 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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Saw the first episode of this series at Comic-Con last month. Bad acting, bad story, not the least bit realistic.


26 posted on 08/20/2012 7:12:57 AM PDT by llmc1
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Someone has been watching "Escape From Los Angeles" once too often. The end shows one-eyed Snake Plisken pushing a button that activates world-wide satellites that kills all electronic systems throughout the world, and reverts the world to the literally dark ages.

I'm still curious with all the above ground and air nuclear testing in the 50's and 60's why this never occurred. Also, what ever happened to all the fallout that was supposed to kill the world back then? Too small of yield?

Help me here, nuclear physicists.

28 posted on 08/20/2012 7:19:00 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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The basic problem with the EMP threat is that nobody can predict which devices will be damaged to the extent they cannot function. That is why is makes a poor military weapon, even though it will certainly be an economic one.

Recall that we have tens of thousands of cell phone towers, and thousands of taller towers for television, FM radio, and public service two-way service. Then there are the thousands of towers maintained by the FAA for aircraft communications and navigation use.

The equipment that use these towers is built to survive in the event there is a lightning strike, and most often that is what happens. Less frequently, lightning strikes take out a rack-full of equipment.

We also must recall that long distance power lines, by their very nature are lightning catchers. And then on the personal level, how often does a nearby lightning strike destroy all electronics in a home, how often are only a few devices zapped, and how often is there no damage at all?

This is not to say that when EMP will not have any effect. The problem is that its effect will be diffuse and widespread, so that even if only a few devices on a power line are zapped, it only takes the failure of one to disable the power line.

If we face an EMP threat, which I think we do, it is just stupid to not quickly work towards an EMP-resilient power grid while we are rushing towards installing a smart grid. But I get the distinct impression that those in government and academia who are in a breathless rush for a smart grid are doing so for reasons that are at odds with national security.

In the meantime, it is just prudent for everyone to have sufficient food and supplies to survive for a month until some services can be restored should we have an EMP attack.
It is just prudent to have such a stash anyway. Who knows what disruptions, either man-made or natural will come. And in an era where we can reasonably expect food price inflation, buying ahead is a means of saving money. A stash is a two-fer.


31 posted on 08/20/2012 7:24:29 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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In the "24" TV series C.T.U. was up and running in at least 2 episodes after a direct EMP attack... it can't be that disastrous.

/s

37 posted on 08/20/2012 7:40:50 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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The current government, in collusion with the EPA, FDA, the tree huggers, and the NIMBY and BANANA crowd are already trying to hurtle us back into the 18th century. The only difference is that their methods take a bit longer. EMP and rad hardening equipment is not too difficult (ask the military), it just takes some planning and a technical understanding. Effective shielding could be devised to protect sensitve electronics, similar to lightning and EMI protection, albeit more robust.


43 posted on 08/20/2012 8:03:35 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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It’s JJ Abrams, it’s gonna be a lot weirder than EMP. Which is good because people ridiculously over blow the threat of EMP.


45 posted on 08/20/2012 8:04:28 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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