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CW2 PING

Want the FBI to come to your house and take you away either to jail or a mental hospital? These are purportedly the FB posts of USMC veteran Brandon Raub, arrested at his house on 8-16.

1) I feel like I am standing at a great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle. A battle I could have never imagined existed. 7/24/12

2) We MUST rise up an...d take our country back. 7/30/12

3) I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to. 8/4/12

5) This is the part where I tell the Federal Government to go fuck itself. This is the part where I tell Generals, training our young men to fight Americans, I am coming for you. The Veterans will be with me. 8/9/12

6) I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12

7) Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12

8) The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12

9) The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12

I would guess that the FB posts he made in the past week were reported to LE at some level, thence to FBI and local police. So it might not be a result of 24/7 govt spying, but a worried FB “friend” or relative. Post Aurora, I think more folks are on a hair trigger looking for the next James Holmes nutcase who was sending out red flares unnoticed until he acted.

When you start posting, “I’m sharpening my axe to sever heads” and “I’m going to start this off if I have to do it myself,” or “I’m coming for those Generals myself,” it turns into an area of threatening violence that the FBI can find “actionable,” especially post Aurora, then the Sikh massacre, then the Family Research Center (which would have been a massacre not for the alert guard).

Of the three cases above, Holmes was pure apolitical nutcase (as far as I can tell), The Sikh killer was a raving National SOCIALIST, and the FRC was a raving LGBT LEFTY. (Note to the MSM: Keep trying, sooner or later there will be a Tea Party raving mass-murderer, but so far, not yet.)

And to any of my Constitutional conservative friends, if you start to overtly threaten that YOU are about to do violence, expect to talk to some gentlemen from the FBI. That was what was so “actionable” (to my understanding) in this case.

Raub was saying “me” and “myself” and “I” an awful lot in those posts. Cleary implying HE was about to do something. If you are pissed off about the fedgov, as am I, speak in the future tense about events that might happen. That is clearly okay, as certified by the Small War Journal essay l ast week about the “Evil White Racist Tea Party Militia” taking over South Carolina, leading to the intervention of the US Army to save the USA.

Or do as the leader of the New Black Panther Party does it, and just say things on camera like “Some day you black men are gonna rise up, and skin you some peckerwoods alive.” That all seems to be protected speech. But if you say, “I am a ticking bomb about to explode,” you will be speaking to LE quickly. Unless you are a member of the NBPP, or so it seems.


25 posted on 08/19/2012 11:18:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

From a Facebook group set up to support Raub:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/188319494633640/

Update on Brandon~
He goes before a Judge on Monday morning, we have obtained legal counsel from The Rutherford Institute, please know THEY approached us and stated they wanted to help. Huge thank you to them!
We will keep you updated.


Quite a few of my facebook friend’s profiles have a “Privacy Notice” posted on their page. I’ve never posted this because, as Brandon Raub’s detention has clearly demonstrated, anything you post on facebook is in the public domain. Brandon’s “detention” on 16 August 2012 was based on comments he posted on facebook and is the result of a Virginia mental health warrant, a civil procedure allowing for the “preemptive incarceration” of individuals deemed a threat to public safety, despite the accused not being formally charged with a crime.


28 posted on 08/19/2012 11:33:09 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Travis McGee
RE: "3) I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to. 8/4/12"

I see myself "standing athwart the tide of history yelling, 'Stop!'" William F. Buckley 1940s/50s.

Arrest Buckley!! Crucify him!!

30 posted on 08/19/2012 11:40:42 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Travis McGee

I read all of his comments on FB.

http://www.facebook.com/brandon.raub#!/brandon.raub?sk=wall

I think the one about coming for the generals could have been what triggered the action. However, he has only been posting on FB for less than two months. He could have also sent emails to a friend that gave cause for concern, and that friend forwarded them. Internet conspiracy posters generally use a lot of channels to get their views out.

If he is being held in a pych ward for his FB comments alone, that is pretty weak beer for such. Although I loathe truthers, they have a Constitutional right to say such things and make idiots of themselves on websites that allow such. Dittoes for the insane claims that the Bush family rapes small children, although that could rise to libel - but once again, a different issue. Commenting about sharpening an axe? If we mention the quote about how the tree of liberty is watered, is that actionable?

It is good that Rutherford is involved. Hopefully we’ll get some hard facts out of this - and if there is adequate cause for him being held, Rutherford will work to make sure a bad precent is not set here that would allow authorities to incarcerate for political views absent a concrete, actionable threat.

I’ve been around long enough to wait for more facts to come out, while also noting who is getting drawn to the story while we wait for such.


34 posted on 08/19/2012 12:00:48 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Travis McGee

Your analysis seems pretty spot on.

Look, folks, ten years ago some guy could have said this to his friend on the phone, probably no problem. He might have said it during an interview on some podunk low-wattage AM radio interview, and once again, no biggie.

But these days are different,what with FB out there, and the twits twitting away (yeah, try to get the whole, complete story on twitter sometime when you are limited to 140 characters...), cell/smart phone technologies, etc.

You expressly and conspicuously say something in public with violent intentions and YEAH yur gonna get asked about it!!!

Heck, they say stuff like this just about every other night on Coast to Coast. But the people they talk to don’t come across like ticking time-bomb lone wolf dudes who are getting ready to take out a whole city block or something!

IMHO, he should have been questioned. He may actually be right about some things, but he needed to be questioned. questions like “How much C4 you got in your basement?”
He’s probably just a blowhard with a bit of PTSD but they won’t know that unless they sit him down and talk to him.


35 posted on 08/19/2012 12:02:37 PM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: Travis McGee
Also note that this guy lives in Virginia, post Virginia-Tech shootings. Laws were changed regarding involuntary commitment in response to this:

The disturbed behavior of Seung Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman, had come to the attention of the campus police in December 2005, and they took him to a mental health facility for a CSB screening. A magistrate issued a “temporary detention order” based on the CSB clinician’s judgment that Cho presented a danger to himself or others. The next morning, after an independent examiner concluded that Cho did not meet the commitment criteria, the judge ordered him to undergo outpatient treatment based on a finding that he presented an imminent danger to himself. As everyone subsequently learned, Cho never complied with this order, and his noncompliance went unnoticed.

This missed opportunity for intervention was attributable in part to deficiencies in the commitment process. First, a more thorough evaluation by the independent examiner might have uncovered evidence about Cho’s deteriorating and highly disturbed condition. Second, and more important, implementation of the special justice’s outpatient treatment order might have provided an occasion for faculty, campus police, and counseling center staff at Virginia Tech to “connect the dots” and undertake an appropriate intervention.

The fact that an aborted judicial intervention in December 2005 might have prevented the tragedy in April 2007 predictably galvanized public support for mental health law reform. Working with the commission chair, a panel appointed by Gov. Tim Kaine to investigate the massacre and its aftermath identified several key elements of reform in its August 2007 report and passed the baton to the commission to spell out the details. Because immediate action was politically imperative, the commission accelerated its timetable and released a preliminary report in December 2007.12 Although the report summarized the commission’s emerging blueprint for comprehensive reform, it focused its recommendations for the upcoming legislative session entirely on commitment law reform. These recommendations had emerged over a year-long period of consensus building among the commission’s constituent stakeholders. Companion bipartisan bills based on the commission’s proposals were supported by Governor Kaine and the leadership of both houses (controlled by different parties), and they emerged from the legislative process essentially intact.

36 posted on 08/19/2012 12:12:40 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Travis McGee

He kind of lost me at the “OCCUPY MARINES - FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY - NOT THE 1%” Bumper sticker.

That’s front and center on the hyperlink.


38 posted on 08/19/2012 12:25:16 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Travis McGee

My daughter has this little psychopath bastard of an ex-boyfriend who has harassed her for the last 2+ years. Keeps getting her phone number. She has changed it nine times in two years. He is in Texas, we think. She is in Oregon. But his last text messages included things like “I am going to come kill you”. “I’m going to go Idaho and cut your (new)boyfriends throat.” This is in (writing) texts. I contacted the FBI because she is afraid. They said there was nothing they could do.


39 posted on 08/19/2012 1:06:18 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the ping. What you say makes sense. Could you post a link to your recent essay?


41 posted on 08/19/2012 2:23:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Travis McGee

The Black Panthers can say, “We need to kill white babies by bombing nurseries!”, and the police do nothing about that?

The Black Panthers can say, “Kill these racist honkeys, these crackers, these pigs, these pink people, it has been long overdue!”, and the police do nothing about that?


43 posted on 08/19/2012 3:13:55 PM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: Travis McGee; windcliff; stylecouncilor

Thanks, TM.

w, s ping....


57 posted on 08/19/2012 8:32:44 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Travis McGee

That is why if you post on Facebbook use a fake name and hide your IP. Make them work to find you.


67 posted on 08/20/2012 5:00:25 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Travis McGee

If you are talking about a hypothetical scenario and a response to an action in that scenario, you can have broad liberties in what you say of a violent nature. We do that all the time here at FR. I am sure some in government security agencies look at some of the things said here and raise an eyebrow maybe, but wargaming, or discussing historical parallels is clearly protected speech, and that is the end of it.

But when someone makes an overt, specific threat against a person, people in general, or an organization of people, then they deserve any heat that rains down on them.


69 posted on 08/21/2012 5:07:28 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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