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To: suthener
Dennis Tueller developed the “21 foot rule”. Tuller states that a man can run 21 feet in 1.5 seconds, which is the time it takes for an “average shooter” to recognize the threat, draw, aim and shoot the threat.

The potential distance an average man can travel and function after receiving a fatal wound is 210 feet/ 70 yards in 14 seconds.

The officers had no choice but to shoot. Letting the knife man walk away is not an option and there is no nonlethal force options.

80 posted on 08/19/2012 1:35:43 AM PDT by pterional
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To: pterional
Dennis Tueller developed the “21 foot rule”. Tuller states that a man can run 21 feet in 1.5 seconds, which is the time it takes for an “average shooter” to recognize the threat, draw, aim and shoot the threat.

Sorry, does not apply in this case because "recognize thread, draw and aim" were already done.

#1 - police had ALREADY identified the threat.

#2 - police had already drawn weapon and had them on trigger, on target. That 1.5 reaction time becomes 0.5 reaction time since the officers aleady were aiming at perceived threat with fingers on trigger.

MAYBE a person could cover 7 feet before an alert defender could shoot, who has already drawn down on the threat and has one in the chamber and a finger on the trigger.

Even if they had their guns at low ready, there is still no way that guy could close on the cops before being drilled repeatedly.

That is no 21 foot threat. Not with drawn guns on target and fingers on the trigger. I don't want to pretend that a determined assailant can't take bullet hits and still close and make a serious injury in a knife attack. So yes, that guy's proximity to the cops was definitely a threat. But his demeanor was not. Also, if the cop felt in fear for their lives at that distance, they could have taken some steps back to buy some time and would still retain control of the situation.

The guy had no car to flee and they had a K9 in the event the shooting victim attempted to flee. He ain't outrunning no police dog.

Moreover, when did the guy ever even take a step in their direction? Never. He was walking away. Massive negligent disproportionate over-reaction by the cops. Massive. And all the while, they had a K9 on site to deal with the threat.

I won't call this murder, but it is manslaughter and serious negligence.

Good thing there was video, or this would be another "he had charged us and was closing fast, giving us no option but to shoot. Video proves he was moving away, so that lie is debunked before it could be used.

81 posted on 08/19/2012 2:34:14 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: pterional

This is what I posted in another reply:

“There are too many armchair quarterbacks on this thread for me. People have the luxury of watching the video 10 times making judgement calls when the police had literally seconds to make their decisions. I am not a police supporter in abuse cases, but as I’ve said 100 times, police are not obligated to get their asses beat, get shot, or get stabbed as a condition of their employment. If you decide to use force against a police officer you should expect overwhelming force in return. That’s just how it works.”

Some posters were even questioning why a taser wasn’t used. These people need to do some serious research on street survival because they don’t know as much as they think they do.


109 posted on 08/19/2012 10:58:50 AM PDT by suthener
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