Cheers!
Posted on 08/15/2012 10:35:00 AM PDT by mojito
If there is one thing that anti-choice activists do that makes me see red, it is when they parade out their poster children: men, women and children who were "targeted for abortion". They tell us "these people would not be alive today if abortion had been legal or if their mothers had made a different choice".
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The narrative that anti-choice crusaders are telling is powerful, moving, and best of all it has a happy ending. It makes the woman who carries to term a hero, and for narrative purposes it hides her maternal failing. We cannot argue against heroic, redemptive, happy-ending fairytales using cold statistics. If we want to keep our reproductive rights, we must be willing to tell our stories, to be willing and able to say, "I love my life, but I wish my mother had aborted me."
An abortion would have absolutely been better for my mother. An abortion would have made it more likely that she would finish high school and get a college education. At college in the late 1960s, it seems likely she would have found feminism or psychology or something that would have helped her overcome her childhood trauma and pick better partners. She would have been better prepared when she had children. If nothing else, getting an abortion would have saved her from plunging into poverty. She likely would have stayed in the same socioeconomic strata as her parents and grandparents who were professors. I wish she had aborted me because I love her and want what is best for her.
Abortion would have been a better option for me. If you believe what reproductive scientists tell us, that I was nothing more than a conglomeration of cells, then there was nothing lost.
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and those of us that hate life?
If ever there was proof of a devil.....
This person is apparently using the old playbook. Abortionists don't usually argue about 'when life begins' anymore because they lost that argument conclusively. Any biologically literate person (including the referenced 'reproductive scientists') will tell you that a living human organism comes into being at conception.
The idea of being "nothing more" than a clump of cells is a metaphysical question that is outside of science's purview. Strictly speaking, the author could still be just as accurately described as "nothing more than a conglomeration of cells" today. The question of "personhood" as it's now called, is an attempt to move from objective scientific criteria to a nebulous, unprovable quality that can be subjectively compared with the mother's rights and interests, etc. That's where the debate lies today. Modern abortionists don't deny it's a live human being -- they just say that killing the baby is justifiable since it hasn't attained 'personhood' yet and therefore its limited interests must be overshadowed by those of the mother.
My thoughts exactly. This person is either severely depressed or a fraud. Either way she needs that lifeline.
Amish kids have sleepovers, eat in restaurants, read non Christian books and the men wear jeans and they do listen to radios when not on their own properties ( on construction jobs, being driven around). They love country music. I was a "Yoder toter" for a summer.
The conditions the girl grew up under is just flat out weird.
and from your later post
and those of us that hate life?
Are you serious? Laz, do you have any words to offer MrPiper here?
Yes, there were stiff penalties for girls back then for dealing with the boy's stiffies the wrong way. Our drop-dead gorgeous star athlete had to leave high school and in senior year and get married.
But in spite of the sad stories then, they pale in comparison to the sheer number and effects of widespread abortion, loose sex and fatherless children of single mothers today. The liberals' misplaced "compassion" against the laws of God never ends well.
My dear, there are no words that help, failed lives exist and no words help and I'm not here looking for help. Just that there are some conservatives that are pro-abortion, is it infanticide? Of course, but many wish that Life had not been forced on us.
Still the coward's way out - much too quick and clean. If she wishes she had been aborted, she should kill herself in the same way that abortion would have killed her: dismemberment or chemical scalding.
Mr. Piper, life is nonstop joy in a universe of infinite abundance.
It took getting a 'new pair of glasses' for me.
If you find you are drinking too much, there is a solution to ALL of lifes 'bullshit', it's call AA. ALL of lifes bs can be addressed there. I am someone who made it to the other side -- life is wonderful, for me.
Let me make you some promises: If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through. We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it. We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace. No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others. That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear. We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows. Self-seeking will slip away. Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change. Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us. We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us. We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do for ourselves. Are these extravagant promises? We think not. They are being fulfilled among us -- sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. They will always materialize if we work for them.
no such thing as Santa claus or miracles.
Every good thing in life, however small, is a miracle when you consider that if any one of several physical constants had differed by one part in a trillion trillion, we wouldn't exist.
If abortion can prevent one life of frustration, boredom, and pain, it's worth it. The frustration, and pain of one life outweigh the unknown life of one not lived knowing pain
At best you've made an argument for legal suicide. Nobody can know in advance whether the aborted life would have been one of such frustration, boredom, and pain as to outweigh the unknown life of one not lived knowing pain.
I remember a highly educated and very successful black woman who used to go to inner city meetings and said something like “If a woman came to you and said she had already given birth to 13 children and was poor, had no provider and no real source of income and disclosed to you she was pregnant, would you advise her to get an abortion?”
A lot of the women would nod and tell her yes.
“Then you would have told her to abort me,” she’d say.”Thank God my mother had the sense not to listen to you.”
Cheers!
I say the same thing to environmentalists who complain the planet is overcrowded. I tell them the only logical conclusion is for them to commit suicide since they clearly see the problem and think something should be done about it.
What on earth is a "reproductive scientist"? Embryologists will tell you the exact opposite and have for years, even the pro-abortion ones. There really isn't a great deal of mystery left as to the biological status of the fetus. If it isn't alive, what is it? If it isn't human, what is it?
No, the only thing consistent about this political stance is its stubborn refusal to acknowledge scientific fact. Pretend it isn't a baby...but don't look at it. Insist it isn't alive...but don't look at it. Dismiss the beating heart, the lines on the EEG - just don't look at them. You'll be fine.
One is tempted to regard the unborn as more human than those who have their own humanity in hand and deny it.
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This person is mentally ill.
By definition.
She's a liberal, isn't she?
She's a liberal, isn't she?
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She's beyond simple liberal beliefs. If her family cares at all about her, they should commit her.
By definition.
She's a liberal, isn't she?
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