Posted on 08/14/2012 11:54:26 AM PDT by NonZeroSum
Ever since the Obama administrations rollout of its space policy two and a half years ago, conventional ideological wisdom has been turned on its head. An administration that had seemed eager to increase government involvement in everything from auto companies to health care proposed a more competitive, privatized approach to spaceflight, and people claiming to be conservatives blasted it, demanding that the traditional (and failing) NASA monopoly continue. Jim Muncy, a former aide on space policy to California congressman Dana Rohrabacher (R.), put it cleverly: Democrats dont think that capitalism works within the atmosphere, and Republicans apparently dont think it works above it.
How did this happen? The resistance suggests three primary motives: visceral distaste for anything that emanates from this White House; nostalgia for the good old days, when America had big goals and really big rockets and unlimited budgets; and, in the case of many politicians, pure rent-seeking for their states and districts.
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Isn’t this an opinion piece?
It should be under “editorial” not “extended news.”
Perhaps you can get the FR moderator to fix that mistake.
There is nothing non-factual in it.
It’s an OpEd.
It’s filled with opinion!
LoL!
Why so defensive?
It’s filled with facts. I’m sorry you find them inconvenient.
NASA should pioneer, blazing the trails, taking the big risks
Commercial should follow with business models
One answers to the quarterly report, shareholders and profit
The other answers to long term goals, scientific knowledge, exploration and inspiration which is also a very valuable profit to the nation.
It’s not either or.
It’s both!
Did you actually read the article? It didn’t say it is “either or.”
Yeah it did. Slamming SLS at the end.
We barely spend anything on NASA, half a penny of federal descretionary spending. One of the few places we should be spending double!
Sorry, but I am not willing to bet the entire nation’s space future and exploration on SpaceX’s future.
Yes, deservedly.
We barely spend anything on NASA, half a penny of federal descretionary spending. One of the few places we should be spending double!
NASA's problem is not with how much it has to spend, but how much Congress forces it to waste on unnecessary vehicles to maintain jobs.
Sorry, but I am not willing to bet the entire nations space future and exploration on SpaceXs future.
No one is proposing that you do. You are making the same mistake as those criticized in the article, and ignoring the existence of Boeing, Orbital Sciences, Sierra Nevada, United Launch Alliance, etc. SpaceX has been in the news because it's been doing spectacular things, but it is not the only game in town.
I know all those names. I follow space news closely.
I hope every single one of them is successful.
But again, as I said before.
They seek a different kind of profit and answer to the quarterly report adn the dollar.
They serve a different master. It’s good, but it’s not what NASA has to do.
NASA seeks a different kind of long term profit just as important to our nation, and none of those companies would exist without the blood and treasure NASA spent decades ago trailblazing and pioneering and taking risks, and yes, people dying. They stand on those shoulders because this great nation once dared great things.
We DO starve NASA for what we expect it to do and then people kick it because we starved it.
One percent for NASA! No more self fullfilling prophecies of oh, well I guess we will always spend chump change.
Screw that!
Unions fight for wasteful gabillion dollar bailouts and NASA eternally gets the shaft when it is literally our toehold for an optimisic future for this nation.
A future that will allow private companys to follow with business models.
Imagine if we had given NASA Solyendra’s money instead!!!!
Then why the straw-man nonsense about betting our future in space on SpaceX?
Imagine if we had given NASA Solyendras money instead!!!!
It would have sunk into the useless maw of SLS and disappeared in about three months.
Look, what was holding back commercial the last 30 years?
Where is the commercial space station? Where is the commercial Mars rover? commercial Titan entry probe, Cassini? Galileo? Hubble? Where is the first commercial astronaut to orbit even one orbit?
Let’s be realistic in our expectations.
NASA has delivered those things.
Commerical needs to make a buck.
And am I the only one that finds it ironic that the success of so many commerical endeavors depends on NASA contracts?????
SLS is going to take us beyond low earth orbit, and God willing, Obama gone maybe we can find the leadership to set us back on course for the moon and beyond.
Orion is going to go farther then any of them on it’s first test flight in a few years.
NASA can be what it once was, now is the time to support it!
SLS is NOT a “useless maw”. Shame on you!
I see that now you're changing the subject.
Many things have held it up, but it was primarily held up by a) regulatory uncertainty and b) a false sense that it wasn't capable of doing the job, created by the high costs of the way NASA does things, which was an inhibitor to investment. That changed with a) the entry of wealthy investors such as Bob Bigelow, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Paul Allen and others and b) the passage of the Commercial Space Launch Amendments Act of 2004.
And am I the only one that finds it ironic that the success of so many commerical endeavors depends on NASA contracts?????
I find it ironic that you don't know the degree to which this is not true. SpaceX has a large commercial payload backlog, Bigelow has no NASA contracts, Blue Origin has no NASA contracts, Virgin Galactic and XCOR have none except the purchase of a few flights (out of the hundreds that they've pre-sold) for research.
SLS is going to take us beyond low earth orbit...
That's a fantasy. SLS doesn't have sufficient funding to ever fly, and if it did, it would needlessly cost billions per flight. That's according to NASA's own plans. There are no missions defined, and no funding for payloads for it, other than Orion, and Orion is capable of doing no more than going around the moon. We could be going beyond earth orbit, and soon, if we'd take the money being wasted on SLS and instead invest it in the hardware actually needed to get beyond earth orbit (e.g., landers, injection stages, fueling depots, tugs, large deep-space facilities, etc.). Note that the Tyson video that you think is so wonderful doesn't mention SLS. That's because he's smart enough to know it's irrelevant.
The only purpose of SLS is to maintain the Shuttle work force and keep certain congresspeople happy. It won't survive the coming budget cuts if Romney and Ryan are smart. I think they are.
Well then, why do you care at all what NASA does?
Commercial will deliver for you everything you want.
Who cares then?
NASA spending even if doubled or cancelled would matter not to the nation as far as fiscal concerns.
Why do you care what NASA does or does not do? Commmercial will be the great era for you.
Because I'm both a taxpayer, and a space enthusiast.
I guess I don't understand this question.
Is your only concern how much money NASA gets, regardless of how it's spent? Do you really think that's a sensible or conservative position?
No, there is something else going on here.
You shouldn’t care at all what NASA does if commercial is the grand solution to all space woes. If SLS falls on it’s face all the better for you, that will end NASA HSF and commmercial will be the king.
Libertarian?
You shouldnt care at all what NASA does if commercial is the grand solution to all space woes. If SLS falls on its face all the better for you, that will end NASA HSF and commmercial will be the king.
Libertarian?
Was this intended to be an intelligent comment?
Sorry, but if so, it failed completely.
You shouldnt care at all what NASA does if commercial is the grand solution to all space woes. If SLS falls on its face all the better for you, that will end NASA HSF and commmercial will be the king.
Libertarian?
Was this intended to be an intelligent comment?
Sorry, but if so, it failed completely.
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