Agenda 21 Radio Live Thread Saturday Aug. 11, 2012

http://edtalkradio.com ^ | 8/11/12 | Paul Preston

[Texas Eagle]

Agenda 21 Radio airs every Saturday from 4 to 7 a.m. Pacific Time on KMYC 14010AM in Marysville, CA

[WKUHilltopper]

Thanks...I’ll check out the archives too.

[Lorianne]

Who put the regulations on the land use for the private owner? What are the land use regulations?

You said the State is buying up a sizable portion of the township. Is it just one owner who is selling?

[cripplecreek]

Between the state and feds there is an ever increasing mountain of regulation. Water makes that mountain even taller and Michigan ranks first in water area. (including the great lakes within Michigan boundaries) We rank second after Alaska in total surface water in inland lakes, swamps, streams etc excluding the great lakes.

That 2000 acres isn't the only land the state is buying with the $68 million in state and federal funds. They're buying another 50 aces here, another 100 there, 25 somewhere else. They even ended up with another quarter acre at the end of my street for non payment of taxes and are letting the Raisin Valley land trust control it.

This map isn't detailed enough to be accurate but it gives an idea of what the state and feds already control. It doesn't show the growing spiderweb of old railroad beds they're buying for greenways and ails to trails crap.



The government has plenty of land already. In fact the taxpayers are going to pay far more than the 2000 aces near me are worth. Its a great deal for the owner but the state will seek to raise revenue elsewhere.

[Lorianne]

Thanks,
I just don’t understand why all these large landholders are selling their land to the State. But I guess they just tax them and regulate them until they can’t hold on to it any longer?

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[Scooter100]

It seems to me that a big Fed land sale across the country could generate big bucks to pay down the debt. Open to U.S. Citizens only, and have been residents for at least the past 15 years, would be my additional suggestions.

[cripplecreek]

Actually, the more I look at this, the more I think this isn't some long suffering poor farmer. This guy owns nearly 5000 acres in this county alone. The two biggest parcels abut land the state already owns.

I think this guy is buying land at rock bottom prices and selling it to the state well above market value. $3 million for 2000 acres seems awfully high when much of it is wetlands



However the real winner is Domino's Farms (Domino's pizza) who is getting $2.275 of taxpayer money for 54 acres.

$2.275M grant will let Washtenaw County buy 54 acres of Domino's Farms land for preservation

I think we're all being ripped off to the tune of some $68 million in state and federal matching funds.

[Lorianne]

hmmm.
thanks for the additional info.

WHY are we subsidizing people to buy land?

[Lorianne]

You’re making a HUGE assumption that any money generated would go toward paying down debt instead of generate new spending.

[cripplecreek]

There seems to be further manipulation going on. For instance one of the parcels was assessed at some $16,800 in 2010 but this year the same parcel is assessed at $2600. I realize value has fallen but it didn’t fall that much in 2 years.

I’ve spent my morning looking through Jackson County GIS maps.

[Darren McCarty]

The City of Ann Arbor passed a ballot question a few years back. The goal is to stop urban sprawl and 'preserve open space'. Washtenaw County is quite rural away from the cities and close-in townships. What the ballot question did is tax Ann Arborites to buy up farmland outside of the city so it isn't sold to developers.

It's subsidized because of an unholy alliance of greenies and urbanists who think everyone should live in lofts in "cool cities" to borrow a term from my former idiot governor Jennifer Granholm.

[cripplecreek]

We seem to be taking a lot of Michigan farmland out of production or putting it under state control like it is in Europe. Meanwhile we talk about the idiocy of farming Detroit which isn’t so much about producing crops as it is collecting billions in soil restoration grants.

Something else that’s interesting is the fact that the new land grab in our area cuts right across the path of the new gas production wells going in.

[Lorianne]

Here is why I don’t have a problem with the scenario in Ann Arbor as you have laid it out.

1. You mentioned a ballotm measure, so it sounds like the citizens of Ann Arbor got a direct say in the matter rather than by representative voting. That’s as good as it gets in our system. It’s also as local as you can get with governance. You did not mention State or Federal mandates to do any of this, so I assume this was a local decision.

2. This is no different than the the City of ann Arbor voting to buy up surrounding land and then basically gifting it to developers to build housing. This is what has traditionally happened in the past ... the existing people in cities subsidize private developers to build out new annexed areas. Either way, it’s a local decision.

I hear complaints from conservatives all the time about local politics like this as if it’s some kind of global conspiracy. But isn’t the whole concept of conservativatism to have SMALLER government? Local government at the city or county level is the smallest government we can get. Even if we don’t like what our local citizens approve of, it’s SMALL GOVERNMENT at work.