The US military has experience in fighting (modern) insurgency for over a decade. Any uprising in the US will be violently crushed. Any uprising with a hint of “southern” will have very little (public) support in the North and West, while tea party uprising will have broader support. Regardless, I just do not see a well oiled military machine can be brought to knees by weekend warriors who are probably over 50 and not in good physical shape (notwithstanding sound fiscal sense).
Read the link at my post #18 and then tell me what you think...
Ever seen a civil war in a nation where over 50% of the population own firearms, and 10% own scoped deer rifles capable of hitting a soldier on guard or checkpoint duty at 400+ yards?
A few thousand active Taliban armed mostly with rusty old AK-47s are tying down how many of our troops, MRAPS, helos, Predators, etc? Are we winnin that one?
Imagine not a few thousand Taliban with old AKs, but millions of soldiers with experience from Vietnam to OIF, armed with scoped deer rifles.
Ever conjure up that “scenario?” It’s never happened, but I know one thing: even Hitler was not foolish enough to invade Switzerland.
The scenario will not be open warfare, at least not after the tanks roll in and crush open dissent.
But, and this could be a very interesting but, a developing resistance could wreak havoc on the country and its masters.
The military could obviously subdue open revolt in all of the major urban areas. That is a very long way from true control of the country. And more importantly, control of its economic activity.
They could rule the country by force in principle. The reality could be very different. What size standing army would be needed to successfully stamp out guerrilla warfare in a county this large and diverse *if* (a significant if, I'll grant you) there were sufficient numbers in resistance?
That is why Big Brother is taking control incrementally. A sudden move would invoke chaos.
Google “shoot twice and go home.”
And consider some 18,000,000 participate in annual “Operation Deer Season”.
I refer you to Afghanistan and Iraq.
The military would have a SOB of a time “crushing” any domestic uprising. The IRA never numbered more than several hundred. The Brits controlled the whole of northern Ireland with a very professional army. They had the insurgency basically confined to an island where they controlled all approaches. The British fought on for decades, and finally had to negotiate a peace.
1) First, a domestic uprising would only happen after extreme provocation, so people nationwide would already be on edge. The uprising would never happen unless something happened to convince people that all political remedies were futile, and the government would likely start the rebellion with some overt act that went “too far”.
2) a crushing response only spreads the movement.
3) Fighting in Iraq is one thing, doing it on you own logistical tail is quite another.
4) No insurgency would face them force on force. It would be another of those fights seen all around the world involving IEDs, blackmail, ambush, deceit, and military leaders would find their families targeted for kidnap, murder, etc. This recently happened when a Mexican Marine was killed fighting Cartels. They gave him a funeral with honors. Later that night, his mother, sister, and several others were all murdered.
History shows that political leaders who ordered and supported a US military attack on American citizens would also be personal endangered, bribed, blackmailed, and neutralized.
Imagine for example, a drone operator shot dead as he stopped for gas on his way home in Nevada, a thousand miles from the war zone. No military would be safe, anywhere. The crackdown would have to be nationwide, and wouldn’t stay local. The heavy handed actions necessary would anger people who were not involved to begin with. Resentment towards the government grows.
5) Our military uses the USA as a home base. Their bases, supply depots, maintenence activites, factories, air bases etcc are extremely vulnerable and scattered.
6) The Military would have to be extremely concerned about their troops loyalty. Often they will be sypathetic to the uprising. A classic example is found in Russia. When the tanks rolled into Moscow in 1991. They were supposed to crush the pro-Yeltsin crowd. In about a half hour they were hugging the crowd, sharing tea and bread, and started shelling the Russian government building on BEHALF of the crowd.
7) Our military is amazing when used against a foreign enemy. But if it was turned against the American people, here in America, you would quickly see it swallowed up into a nationwide chasm of national disorder. Our military just spent 10 years in Iraq which is about the size of Texas. It was bled white, and most units did 3, 4, or 5 tours.
8) In recent wars, the military could always rest and refit here. They knew their families were safe at home. They knew that in general the nation was behind them. Its a very different animal when none of that is true.
9) The chaos causes extreme business disruptions in our close coupled, just in time economy. This adds pressure to quickly negotiate. Politicians are under unbelievable pressure. The opposition party is seen as an alternative to the one that sparked the insurgency.
There won’t be a Gettysburg in modern insurgency. There will be a nasty insurgency, with a political component that would be as important as the killing wing.
This experience is best left to the imagination.
Lol, a tube of KY, copy of Playgirl, and a vibrating dildo would neutralize the military in about 10 years.
I have yet to see Afghan stabilized, lol. You expect the military to control say, 100,000,000 guns owners easily? I don’t care if they ate 50 years old, a bullet is a bullet no matter the age of the person shooting.
“are 50 years old” iPhone plus fat fingers syndrome
Geesh dude....two morons wrecked havoc on a community...a few years ago.
There are a lot of southerners in the Army. And the next Civil War will probably be Red states vs Blue!
“Regardless, I just do not see a well oiled military machine can be brought to knees by weekend warriors who are probably over 50 and not in good physical shape”
Well now, my National guard division ran the largest and most sucessfull area of Iraq...Some “special” soldiers were ordering us to “return to the game” after only 6 hours of us transferring over to Big Army due to they were FUBAR!
(There words not ours!)