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To: sagar

Ever seen a civil war in a nation where over 50% of the population own firearms, and 10% own scoped deer rifles capable of hitting a soldier on guard or checkpoint duty at 400+ yards?

A few thousand active Taliban armed mostly with rusty old AK-47s are tying down how many of our troops, MRAPS, helos, Predators, etc? Are we winnin that one?

Imagine not a few thousand Taliban with old AKs, but millions of soldiers with experience from Vietnam to OIF, armed with scoped deer rifles.

Ever conjure up that “scenario?” It’s never happened, but I know one thing: even Hitler was not foolish enough to invade Switzerland.


50 posted on 08/08/2012 5:32:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Ever seen a civil war in a nation where over 50% of the population own firearms, and 10% own scoped deer rifles capable of hitting a soldier on guard or checkpoint duty at 400+ yards?

Not a civil war, but the Winter War where the initial Soviet Invasion of Finland basically collapsed due to a few battalions of ski troops cutting the supplies of the mechanized Russian forces. The Russians made the best of it and went into defensive laagers, but the Finns just picked them off.

93 posted on 08/08/2012 6:08:20 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Travis McGee
As you well know and understand, the ROE in Afghanistan are rather tight. It won't be if CWII breaks out.

And the Taliban is made up of people who have a culture, all the way back to Alexander the Great, of never surrendering. They will fight, because that is who they are. Will that happen here? Most of the “TEA” party is older, conservative, and set in their ways. That is not the group you turn to in a war. They have to much to loose.

104 posted on 08/08/2012 6:17:11 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Travis McGee

you said
Ever seen a civil war in a nation where over 50% of the population own firearms, and 10% own scoped deer rifles capable of hitting a soldier on guard or checkpoint duty at 400+ yards?

I ran the numbers and here’s what I got..
That would give us..
10% of South Carolina’s population for Snipers are 467,923
50% of the population own firearms & are True Hunters, give or take 3 or 4 are 2,339,615

Free Fire Zone would cover..but not limited to
Total area - 31,189 square miles
Land area - 30,111 square miles
Inland water area - 1,006 square miles
Coastal water area - 72 square miles
on our on home ground advantage. plus..

Some of them Georgia boys would not want to miss out so add another couple 1000 or 2

Col. Kevin Bensonr would wet his pants if those number were a fact, and they could be. Time will tell.


108 posted on 08/08/2012 6:22:03 PM PDT by triSranch ( Home of J.C. Calhoun and the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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To: Travis McGee; Chode
#50, that about sums it up minus one critical item: a tactical move by Mordor against America's "Right" flank would seriously stretch and deplete ill-prepared/equipped local LEOs, leaving America's opportunistic "Left" flank off-leash. Most major metro areas would literally burn (LA riots nation-wide).

Once word got out that Mordor was tactically moving against the Right, it would be SHTF nation-wide. LEO morale would crumble with wide-spread desertion to protect their own families ("Honey, don't go out there, who's going to protect us?").

Dissention in military ranks would the erode command and control structure: zealous chiefs with very few indians interested in the fight ("Screw you sir, I didn't come back from Afghanistan for this.")

The world would witness and be amazed (our enemies terrified) by the true purpose behind the 2nd Amendment as Mordor's rule collapses in mere weeks if not days.

145 posted on 08/08/2012 6:49:23 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Travis McGee
Ever seen a civil war in a nation where over 50% of the population own firearms, and 10% own scoped deer rifles capable of hitting a soldier on guard or checkpoint duty at 400+ yards?

Travis, that's an idea for a movie, and one with an uplifting conservative message, not the normal leftist Hollywood cr@p.

173 posted on 08/08/2012 7:22:10 PM PDT by Hokestuk
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To: Travis McGee
"the Constitution allows the president broad leeway in times of insurrection."

I wonder if Obama will execute a pre-emptive strike? Can't be too cautious when it comes to the safety of the nation in the face of domestic terrorism.


175 posted on 08/08/2012 7:27:18 PM PDT by garjog
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To: Travis McGee

And those Afghani’s are mostly illiterate tribals. Their only real advantage is that they know their terrain and have networks inside which they can move contraband under the noses of the occupying force.

In addition to your scenario of millions of men with modern military training with modern small arms and add to them thousands of devious engineers with the ability to make modern civilization stop on a dime. Think about what little it would require to take down the US electrical grid for real. Think about how little it would take to turn a modern refinery into a roman candle. A few tracers lobbed in from a half-mile away... and stuff gets real sloppy, real quick.

The economy suddenly goes down a deep, dark hole, not to return for possibly a decade.

Pretty hard to finance a war on borrowed money when the lenders see little chance of being repaid any time soon.


240 posted on 08/08/2012 10:05:52 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Travis McGee
A few thousand active Taliban armed mostly with rusty old AK-47s are tying down how many of our troops, MRAPS, helos, Predators, etc? Are we winnin that one?

Imagine not a few thousand Taliban with old AKs, but millions of soldiers with experience from Vietnam to OIF, armed with scoped deer rifles.

Could be interesting times.

382 posted on 08/09/2012 10:38:22 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Travis McGee

Ever seen a civil war in a nation where over 50% of the population own firearms, and 10% own scoped deer rifles capable of hitting a soldier on guard or checkpoint duty at 400+ yards?

A few thousand active Taliban armed mostly with rusty old AK-47s are tying down how many of our troops, MRAPS, helos, Predators, etc? Are we winnin that one?

Imagine not a few thousand Taliban with old AKs, but millions of soldiers with experience from Vietnam to OIF, armed with scoped deer rifles.
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Which is why the government is going to cameras, satalites and drones so fast. Totalitarian government here we come!


410 posted on 08/10/2012 7:21:09 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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