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Oregon criminalizes permaculture; claims state ownership over all rainwater
http://www.naturalnews.com/036615_Oregon_rainwater_permaculture.html ^

Posted on 08/01/2012 5:54:54 AM PDT by dontreadthis

Jackson County, Oregon says it owns YOUR rainwater, and the county has sentenced a man to 30 days in jail and fined him over $1500, for the supposed "crime" of collecting rainwater on his own property.

The man's name is Gary Harrington, and he owns over 170 acres of land in Jackson County. On that land, he has three ponds, and those ponds collect rainwater that falls on his land. Common sense would say Gary has every right to have ponds with water on his 170 acres of land, but common sense has been all but abandoned in the state of Oregon.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: 2012; govtabuse; liberalfascism; rapeofliberty; sourcetitlenoturl; tyranny
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You didn't build that
1 posted on 08/01/2012 5:55:00 AM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: dontreadthis
Harrington interview
http://soundcloud.com/thelarslarsonshow/gary-harrington-is-prepared-to


2 posted on 08/01/2012 6:00:34 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: dontreadthis

First they came for my rain barrel, then my cloth line, then my sawdust toilet,and finally they came for me.

Power hungry control Freaks!


3 posted on 08/01/2012 6:03:42 AM PDT by Leep
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To: dontreadthis

Do I recall correctly, that he was also diverting river water to his ponds?


4 posted on 08/01/2012 6:15:04 AM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (If you build it, Obama wants credit!)
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To: dontreadthis

The truth about this issue was posted here earlier in the week. This guy was diverting the river into the ponds, not just rainwater.


5 posted on 08/01/2012 6:16:00 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: dontreadthis

This country is becoming worse than the USSR.


6 posted on 08/01/2012 6:16:25 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Spirit of Liberty

“Do I recall correctly, that he was also diverting river water to his ponds?”

I understand that they were trying to make the claim that as soon as the water hit the ground it was part of a tributary and then subject to their regs.


7 posted on 08/01/2012 6:22:48 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: dontreadthis

Government is not by its nature on the side of the people, and the bigger it gets, the more it opposes individual freedom.


8 posted on 08/01/2012 6:24:55 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: dontreadthis

This is far bigger than Oregon. Both Colorado and Utah have similar restrictions, although Colorado decided to permit some rain barrels in 2009. I’m sure there are numerous other states that have water rights laws that are convoluted for political advantage. Water is life, money and votes. Politicians know that they can slip this kind of legislation under the radar and insure some power over their opponents.


9 posted on 08/01/2012 6:26:14 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: chessplayer

Yes— we have hordes of bureaucrats progressively regulating every last aspect of commerce and behavior.

Eventually we’ll be told how many children we can have and how many sheets of toilet paper we can use each month.

“It’s all for the good of the collective, comrade!”


10 posted on 08/01/2012 6:26:35 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: dontreadthis

If I lived in Oregon, I bottle up some piss and send it to every member of the legislature (politburo).


11 posted on 08/01/2012 6:31:36 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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F-nggovernment at it again. Time to throw all these econazis out. Government owns rainwater, give me a break. Since they claimed ownership of the air there is no stopping them.


12 posted on 08/01/2012 6:35:33 AM PDT by JayAr36 (Government is a parasite, sucking the lifeblood out of America.)
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To: Portcall24

As I read it (and no doubt my info is incomplete) but the OR govt’s position is that every little transient rivulet in every little gully or topogrphic wrinkle that comes from a downpour or snowmelt is a “tributary”.


13 posted on 08/01/2012 6:49:03 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Cui bono?)
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Just another case of application of Western Water Rights Law ~ this is the way water rights are handled IN ALL arid and semi-arid regions WORLDWIDE since the beginning of time!

Where there is ample rainfall, there's a different system used to regulate "diversion" of water.

14 posted on 08/01/2012 6:52:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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If the State owns the rainwater then the State darn well better keep it off of my property! Their rain water has ruined my hay crops, flooded my basement, muddied my fields and barnyard, eroded my soil and drowned out my pastures.

Yes, I own water rights from the river, but since the State owns the rainwater, I demand that they keep their dang water in the river where it belongs - and I will put it on my fields (according to my permit rights) when I want it there!

Seems like the State could be sued for trespass - just like I can be sued if my cows get out and destroy my neighbors’ crops.


15 posted on 08/01/2012 6:53:08 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And if he let the ponds dry up, the Feds would be after him for destroying Wet Lands.


16 posted on 08/01/2012 6:53:32 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: dontreadthis

Communist bastards!!!


17 posted on 08/01/2012 6:55:23 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Steamburg; dontreadthis
There are two water rights doctrines used in the US: Riparian water rights and prior appropriation water rights.

The eastern wet zone states use Riparian and the interior western dry zone states use Prior Appropriation.

Those states that straddle the wet dry lines use a dual doctrine of riparian and prior appropriation.

The 98th meridian is the eastern wet/dry line so those state that straddle use the dual doctrine and include TX, OK, KS, etc.

The western wet dry line is the Cascades/Sierra Nevada so CA, WA , and OR use the dual doctrine.

This article is mis-info. The state doesn't own the water although a state can own water rights. The state administers the water rights.

The guy in this article is taking someone else's prior appropriation water right and it is the state's job to prevent him. So, under the use it or lose it clause, if this guy successfully uses the water, that would prevent the actual owner(s) from using the water they would lose the water right.

18 posted on 08/01/2012 6:55:23 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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The old USSR violated the ancient traditions of how water may be diverted over near the Aral Sea.

They were told by just everybody who also controls an arid or semi-arid region that their practice would turn the Aral Sea into a desert and change the climate for a thousand miles around.

Well, today the Aral Sea is a desert and so is much previously useful grazing land.

Read all about it. This guy was doing what the Soviets did that killed the Aral Sea!

19 posted on 08/01/2012 6:55:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Portcall24

I think the State was accusing him of diverting water from his property from flowing into the creek, not that he was diverting water running across his property that came from a source upstream of his property.


20 posted on 08/01/2012 7:01:13 AM PDT by Paladin2
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