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Great, just great.
1 posted on 07/29/2012 8:04:57 AM PDT by Greystoke
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That kind of mindset behind policy/judicial decisions is coming from a big city ethnic/cultural/religious perspective that has made incursions into all three branches of government. If you want to protect your Second Amendment rights, you’ll need to do so through the legislature. And elect more of a solid American demographic into the legislature—not those who comprise only about 25% percent of our population and come in such recent generations from southern Europe to reside in our large cities. Or push in advance for another reformation.


103 posted on 07/29/2012 11:48:54 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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This is surprising to anyone?


105 posted on 07/29/2012 12:09:48 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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But there were legal precedents from the days of the Founding Fathers that banned frightening weapons which a constitutional originalist like himself must recognize. There were also "locational limitations" on where weapons could be carried, the justice noted.

I'll see your "constitutional originalist" and raise you a "Declarationist", Scalia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarationism

You see, "Declarationists" are a big problem for so-called "Constitutionalists" who go off the rails and start tampering with Natural Rights, because Declarationists have trump.

One should point out to Scalia that the Founding Fathers actually played that trump card, the card that beats tyrannical, despotic (fascist) governments.

108 posted on 07/29/2012 12:25:27 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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I don't see anything threatening about this. Why would it be a problem for a state to ban the sale of rocket propelled grenade launchers, or fully automatic weapons? We, the voters, can work to keep the availability of weapons for hunting, sport, and most importantly, self-defense, as we have in most of the country.

Even in those bastions of liberals like Chicago and D.C., we're seeing changes in the anti-gun attitudes of old. Regular folks are becoming disgusted at not being able to defend themselves from the thugs who don't care about laws.

110 posted on 07/29/2012 12:34:34 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Let's break it down, using my old dictionary which had King George III son listed as Regent in England.

Regulated=controlled. (think of what a regulator does with gas flow, for instance)

Militia=The Army, in its entirety.

A well regulated (controlled) militia (Army) being necessary to the security of a free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Part of the debate over the Constitution was one of whether or not there would be a standing Federal Army. Even the State Militias (armies) were largely not standing (professional) armies. Concerns included whether the Federal Army would be large enough if the State Militias found themselves in conflict in an issue between adjacent (and, at that time, soverign) states, and whether the Federal Army would become an instrument of the abuse of power domestically.

So, not only the question of should there be a standing Federal Army, but how large (if there should be one) should that army be were discussed in the Federalist papers.

The conclusion was this:

That the Federal Standing Army would be relatively small compared to the population, enough so that the State Militias would be able to contain its ambitious use, and the ultimate defense of liberty would be the vast majority of the population armed.

The control of that Army is something the security of a free state depends upon, not just for the defense of the borders and to settle disputes between the States, but to prevent it from being used internally as an instrument to deprive the citizens of liberty. To stay free, the Army had to be contained. In order to ensure the balance of power never shifted away from the People, the People had to be armed.

While the 'state of the art' then may have been the flintlock musket, now it is the select fire weapons of the modern battlefield, along with their companion destructive devices. These are already regulated (infringed) by the NFA. Any further infringement should be thus resisted, in fact, some of those infringements should be rolled back.

The balance of power between the Government and the People has been altered by numerous materiel force multipliers we laud in our mutual defense but will curse if ever used against us by our own military on our own soil. Even the preponderance of numbers our founders counted upon to prevail can be called into question under those circumstances because the addition of air power, satellite and other surveillance, etc., has shifted the balance of power (ultimately, the raw ability to enforce the Constitution) away from the People.

111 posted on 07/29/2012 12:35:43 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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.” said the judge, who is protected by armed bodyguardS (plural) and has the best security money can buy at the expense of the public.


123 posted on 07/29/2012 1:04:21 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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Let’s don’t get over-excited here. When he says, “We’ll see”, that doesn’t mean he would vote for something in particular or not. It just means “we’ll see which side gets 5 votes”. He could be talking about John Roberts!

Also, I have always been in the camp that believes that the Bill of Rights only applies to the national government, not to the states (after all there were states back then with established religions, for instance). So, I don’t take his remarks as a departure, just a realistic appraisal. He doesn’t want to speak to specifics, after all.


135 posted on 07/29/2012 2:36:03 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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Scalia said exceptions to gun rights were recognized when the Second Amendment was written, including a tort that prohibited people from carrying a “really horrible weapon just to scare people like a head ax or something.”

or something?

147 posted on 07/29/2012 6:10:59 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's Welfare, Food Stamps, Division and Disability 'Legacy')
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The 2nd Amendment nor any of the so called federal “bill of rights” were designed to apply to the states.

We have Separate & distinct State Constitution’s for that propose, and most free State Constitutions garentee the right to keep and bare arms.

WE HAVE NO NEED FOR WASHINGTON TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH OUR OWN STATE!


148 posted on 07/29/2012 6:41:32 PM PDT by Monorprise
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Guns were once required for citizens in some areas. Keeps taxes down.

;-)


149 posted on 07/29/2012 6:56:04 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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As Ice Cube said in an interview in England, "It's in our Constitution. Guns are our last defense against tyranny. It's not about hunting."

We damn well better have some pretty frigging frightening weaponry in the hands of the citizens. Oh, Scalia, look at what this guy wrote one year after the Constitution was ratified:
Tench Coxe, writing as "the Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, 1788:

"The power of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from 16 to 60. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
Why, Scalia? To frighten you and every other functionary of the federal government so that you'll remember who's boss and not slip into bad, old habits of governments around the world and throughout time.
153 posted on 07/29/2012 7:18:47 PM PDT by aruanan
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161 posted on 07/30/2012 9:47:14 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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FU Scalia!

(never thought I would post that)


162 posted on 07/30/2012 5:29:37 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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