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To: BfloGuy; Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy; Olog-hai; central_va; 3Fingas; khelus; SeekAndFind; All

The U.S. has not created a single net job in the last decade.As soon as Clinton signed the China "free trade" deal then America and the greatest job creation engine ever got annihilated . We the U.S.A. cannot even make our own consumer electronics, clothes , and thousands of other consumer industries but instead NEED to have China and other countries make that for us. But some on here ridicule me and call me an idiot because I say the China economy is more productive than the U.S. economy , a U.S. "economy" that even with borrowing tens of trillions of $ has created not 1 job in the 21st century. That U.S. economy is a joke that will collapse under exploding , massive debt , 16 $ trillion federal debt. But many here tell me that the U.S. economy is so productive ( the most productive in the world) . China makes most of the worlds electronics, most of the world's steel , and most of countless other products .The U.S. economy is creating unimaginable debt, can't even produce our own consumer electronics nor create a single job. But they tell me the U.S. economy is supposed to be the world's most productive (3 times more so than China they say).

When we in American turn over products we see “Made in China”. Likewise 9 billion people in the world "See made in China", in Europe , in South America, in China etc. 9 billion people see “Made in China” when they turn over most of their products. And you all post all these stats in overvalued U.S. dollars that say that the U.S. produces more.And you ridicule me because I say those stats are bogus. Well I and 99% of people I talked to know that China will own the U.S. soon.

Name what consumer electronics are made in the U.S.A. go ahead name them if the U.S. produces so much.

No consumer electronics that I know of are made in the USA

China manufactures almost all consumer electronics that Americans use . but it's not just for the U.S..there are 9 billion people in the world, 1.4 billion people in China that also use consumer electronics. china manufactures most of these. China makes most of the consumer electronics that 9 billion people use ( and also most of the consumer products). Just that proves that China's economy is many times greater , bigger , better than the U.S.’s . Do you have any idea how many cell phones, consumer electronics etc 9 billion people are using? An entity that produces most of that rules the world and produces the most in the world. And that's not the only thing . Clothes,household items , practically everything consumers use is being made in China.what we have more of is debt. U.S. has only 300 million people.the same thing we see in the U.S.A when we turn over products “Made in China” 9 billion people in Europe , South America, China etc. see “Made in China”. And you all post all these stats in overvalued U.S. dollars that say that the U.S. produces more.

U.S. manufacturing jobs declined 36% in the last decade. so only 11 million U.S. workers work in manufacturing ( and I think they including mining, power plant workers, and in some cases some construction in that stat) . that 11 million is a minuscule stat when compared to the world population of 9 billion. U.S. manufacturing is not even a blip on the world stage even though with overvalued U.S. dollars and including mining it does show up . In real terms it doesn't . Economic stats are bs. the government says GDP is made up 2/3 of it is consumer spending and most of the rest is government spending. and you agree. I say the real economy is manufacturing which is what china does and has concentrated on . you say I'm an idiot and that China are idiots for concentrating on manufacturing. Government spending and government workers produce nothing . the 3 trillion $ annual government budget produces nothing but hardship for U.S. businesses.All I'm saying is that we have to fight fire with Fire and do to China what china has done to us the U.S.A. Just 2 things china has done is devalue their currency so their workers have the pay advantage, also they force any U.s. company building in China to partner with a China company so that the china company can steal all the technology and then move the U.S. company out. But china has done many more things like this to steal our technology ,industries and markets. China has made America and Americans poorer and china has put many U.S. workers out of work and made many homeless. http://www.techforecasters.com/archives/china-electronics-manufacturing-growth-or-decline/

By the amount that Chin has undervalued their currency so that a China worker makes 50 cents per hour so their production is really 50 times what it says in dollars , so China manufacturing really 50 times greater than U.S. ( ridicule me all you want , China is the threat not me as I want to help the U.S., what's your solution , keep allowing china to do this to us or what? Yeah I 'm for reducing taxes and regulations on businesses but also doing to China what china have done to U.S. )

392 posted on 08/02/2012 4:28:40 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: rurgan
As soon as Clinton signed the China "free trade" deal then America and the greatest job creation engine ever got annihilated

We don't have a free trade agreement with China.

But some on here ridicule me and call me an idiot

That's only because you are an idiot.

because I say the China economy is more productive than the U.S. economy

You say lots of things that aren't true.

U.S. manufacturing jobs declined 36% in the last decade. so only 11 million U.S. workers work in manufacturing

It's true, we make more stuff with fewer employees. That's the definition of increased productivity. You said it yourself, China has 100 million manufacturing employees, yet the US makes more stuff.

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2011/01/the-demise-of-america%E2%80%99s-manufacturing-sector-has-been-greatly-exaggerated/

you say I'm an idiot

Yeah, truth hurts.

and that China are idiots for concentrating on manufacturing.

I never said that.

Government spending and government workers produce nothing . the 3 trillion $ annual government budget produces nothing but hardship for U.S. businesses

Yes, we need huge cuts in government.

By the amount that Chin has undervalued their currency so that a China worker makes 50 cents per hour so their production is really 50 times what it says in dollars ,

Your poor understanding of the currency issue is stunning, even when compared to your general lack of understanding.

393 posted on 08/02/2012 6:13:01 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: rurgan

I remember when the issues of “Most Favored Nation” trading status for China and WTO membership were under consideration, I called my Senators and Congressman on both occasions and asked them to vote against both measures. They did not listen to me. They were so-called “free-traders” like so many other confused Republicans then and now.


396 posted on 08/02/2012 9:37:40 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: rurgan
The U.S. has not created a single net job in the last decade.

That's a Democrat talking point. Millions of jobs were created in the last decade. But when a recession [a recession that was not caused by foreign trade] wipes those out, you get no net gain.

Your obsession with foreign trade is blinding you to reason.

406 posted on 08/02/2012 3:55:41 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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