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Disagree. They are winning the culture war. Movies and tv celebrate them.

Chilling effect on speech is the goal. Opposing gay agenda in Amy way will one day be illegal hate speech.

You are right. For 80 years, five steps left, one step right. People who believe in bedrock principals of liberty and freedom — individualism, marriage, family, self-worth, limited government, God — are derided as “extreme.” We’ve let the enemy take over and control everything.

I agree with you, but the problem in this case is that they've "planted their flag" on an issue where they've taken a side that is utterly repulsive even to many people who support them from a purely partisan political standpoint. Opposition to the "normalization" of homosexuality is so deep-rooted that it brings out strong support from a lot of people who might be largely non-political on most other issues.

They are winning the culture war. Movies and tv celebrate them.

You're kind of making my point. Network television is disappearing before our eyes, and Hollywood movie studios are not exactly strong business models to begin with. You can go to any neighborhood in America and observe a group of pre-teen boys walking home from school or playing sports in a park. The terms "fag" and "faggot" are used almost universally even among kids at that young age as the ultimate insult to any of their peers who acts like a jack@ss or steps out of line in any way. Nothing Hollywood or mass media does can ever change that.

That may appear to be so, but don’t discount that they’ve also pissed off a lot of people to the point where they are now inclined to push back, whereas before they were merely indifferent. Turning an indifferent person into an upset, active foe is not a victory.

True, but things can reverse if the other side stops capitulating and being passive and complacent.

Moreover: If the political and social climate were to change suddenly and drastically:

things have a way of changing when economic hardship, global war, natural catastrophes set in. Sad to think it will take all of that to reverse this trend, but I do believe anything less will not do the trick.

Disagree. They are winning the culture war. Movies and tv celebrate them. Chilling effect on speech is the goal. Opposing gay agenda in Any way will one day be illegal hate speech

Sure will - just follow the dots. This nation is so screwed up it will never be the free country is once was. It won't be long before our churches turn to mosques, 85% of your money goes to the government for redistribution & another Janet will determine whether you live or die.