Posted on 07/25/2012 11:19:05 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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The States Parties to this Treaty.
(Excerpt) Read more at iapcar.org ...
What ‘joint’ are you referring to?
I think Obama could interpret various aspects of this treaty in ways that would give him justification to impose various gun control measures on Americans. I believe fast and furious was supposed to provide further justification. If you look at bullet 4: underlining the need to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade of conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to illegal and unauthorized end use, such as terrorism and organized crime. Obama would have been empowered here with both bogus F&F data as well as this language in the ATT. My bigger issue with this, however, is that we have Iran spearheading a treaty that could potentially restrict our ability to arm Israel and Taiwan. What’s more, it further reinforces the notion that guns primarily belong in the hands of governments and not free men. and while it does contain language that supposedly preserves national sovereignty, by its very nature, it erodes national sovereignty. Many of the UN member nations love the idea eroding our sovereignty with various “well meaning and reasonable” treaties. That is, in fact, the primary mission of many of America’s enemies. This treaty helps them more than it does us IMO.
Again, it’s not a disarmament demand, it’s a registration demand, which is counter to American gun rights anyway.
Read some history concerning registration schemes during WWII and in Soviet Russia and follow where they lead.
I’m sure Travis could provide some informative graphics of the same.
the UN
The UN is the ultimate evil in the world, a den full of marxist vipers so vile they make a multi-headed hydra seem saintly. For you to attribute anything but the ultimate evil motive to this enemy of America and freedom shows you are a democrat
>What section of the document are they trying to take our right away? ... Post it ...
Here’s your UN mandated gun registration system:
Article 2
4. Each State Party shall establish or update, as appropriate, and maintain a national control list that shall include the items that fall within Paragraph 1 above, as defined on a national basis, based on relevant UN instruments at a minimum. Each State Party shall publish its control list to the extent permitted by national law.
There’s also provision for an international bureaucracy to monitor the guns in civilian hands.
Personally I don’t much cotton to such nonsense.
I agree about restricting our ability to arm Israel and Twaiwan, that’s crazy ... I just don’t see where its a threat to me owning a private shotgun or pistol.
I see nothing in this that takes away my 2nd ammendment rights ...
They’re calling for gun registries across the board. One only need look to history in the 20th century to see where that leads.
Oh please. They can’t even keep the Social Security and voter rolls accurate. There is NO WAY that they will be able to keep track of every weapon world wide much less United States wide. It is impossible to implement so those upset...don’t be cuz it could never happen. Thankfully we have a very incompetent government.
They have been working toward this for some time, below is EXISTING law already on the books.
22 USC 2552 - Sec. 2552. Definitions
As used in this chapter - (a) The terms “arms control” and “disarmament” mean the identification, verification, inspection, limitation, control, reduction, or elimination, of armed forces and armaments of all kinds under international agreement including the necessary steps taken under such an agreement to establish an effective system of international control, or to create and strengthen international organizations for the maintenance of peace. (b) The term “Government agency” means any executive department, commission, agency, independent establishment, corporation wholly or partly owned by the United States which is an instrumentality of the United States, or any board, bureau, division, service, office, officer, authority, administration, or other establishment in the executive branch of Government.
http://vlex.com/vid/sec-definitions-19203838
22 USC 2551 - Sec. 2551. Congressional statement of purpose
An ultimate goal of the United States is a world which is free from the scourge of war and the dangers and burdens of armaments; in which the use of force has been subordinated to the rule of law; and in which international adjustments to a changing world are achieved peacefully.
It is the purpose of this chapter to provide impetus toward this goal by addressing the problem of reduction and control of armaments looking toward ultimate world disarmament.
The Secretary of State must have the capacity to provide the essential scientific, economic, political, military, psychological, and technological information upon which realistic arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament policy must be based.
The Secretary shall have the authority, under the direction of the President, to carry out the following primary functions: (1) The preparation for and management of United States participation in international negotiations and implementation fora in the arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament field. (2) The conduct, support, and coordination of research for arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament policy formulation. (3) The preparation for, operation of, or direction of, United States participation in such control systems as may become part of United States arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament activities. (4) The dissemination and coordination of public information concerning arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament.
http://vlex.com/vid/sec-congressional-statement-purpose-19203839
Registration= confiscation. One inevitably leads to the other.
Oh please, when it comes to something the government really wants to do they will, even at the point of a gun. Look at the IRS for example. This would be similar to the jihadist’s, government officials would be on their hunt for the Holy Grail in their eyes!!
“It is impossible to implement so those upset...don’t be cuz it could never happen.”
That’s the sort of thinking that fills concentration camps.
Oh please, when it comes to something the government really wants to do they will, even at the point of a gun. Look at the IRS for example. This would be similar to the jihadist’s, government officials would be on their hunt for the Holy Grail in their eyes!!
“Yes, officer ... I had a Glock, I had a break-in last week and it was stolen ... I have no idea who took it.”
Under article 5:
3.be used to commit or facilitate gender-based violence or violence against children;
This treaty is a clear attempt by globalists/marxists to erode national sovereignty with exploitable political themes embedded in the text.
It's surprising that the authors left out gun violence against animals. /sarc
Wow... you’re either awfully trusting or woefully ignorant. Regardless of your beliefs on the subject, they have no business knowing who owns what. If your belief is such as it is, then you should also agree that they have no business with that data in the first place.
A "control list" is not a "UN mandated gun registration system." Here is a link to a Commerce Department site re: export controls. There is a link to a "control list" on the page. A "control list" is basically a list of (a) specific items covered by certain import/export provisions and/or (b) criteria for determining whether items are covered by said import/export provisions.
In this context, Article 2 lists 8 categories of "conventional arms" covered by the treaty. The "control list" would be a document that defined what types of arms fall into each of the categories. It's not a gun registry.
So...what about this??
We are told at every turn that “treaties supersede the Constitution of The[se] States United” -— nugatory. Here is what Article VI, paragraph 2 actually stipulates on the issue: “...all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution [of any State] or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. [Emphasis added.]”
The Preamble to the U.S. Constitution declares: “We the People of the United States...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union of 1777 had proven so inadequate and imperfect in their ten year life that they were supplanted in 1787 by the Constitution “in Order to form a more perfect Union.”
Whereas the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776 is the Charter of These States United, disclosing and proclaiming its purpose and reason for being, the U.S. Constitution of September 17, 1787 is the ByLaws laid down by the States detailing the day-to-day operation assigned to the Union and setting it in motion. The States, the creators of the Union, gave no authority to the central government via the U.S. Constitution for a treaty to be consummated with a foreign nation (1) that would empower treaty functions that they did not allow the U.S. government to have, or (2) that would obligate this Union and its States to do something that is contrary to the U.S. Constitution, or (3) that would transfer functions and activities assigned to the Union to any agency outside of the Union. That’s elemental, prima facie, self-evident. So, at the outset, to even entertain the idea that treaties supersede the Constitution is specious.
By Article II, Section 1, paragraph 7, the President is required to swear he will: “...preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Article VI, paragraph 3 requires all Federal and State officers to also swear:”...to support this [U.S.] Constitution...”
Article I, Section 10, paragraph 1 declares: “No State shall enter into any Treaty...”
All civil magistrates are bound by oath to abide by the U.S. Constitution, and nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is any authority given for these United States to be subject to and bound by any earthly piece of paper that abrogates or is alien to the Constitution of the United States. As a matter of fact, Article VI, paragraph 2, the latter half of which is quoted at the outset above, in its first half, says only three (3) pronouncements are “the supreme Law of the Land”:
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