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China'a DF-21D Missile Is A One-Shot Aircraft Carrier Killer
Gizmodo ^ | July 24, 2012 | Andrew Tarantola

Posted on 07/24/2012 9:30:33 PM PDT by James C. Bennett

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To: philman_36

Obviously, “Jane’s” refers to Fonda’s exercise video.


41 posted on 07/25/2012 3:00:56 AM PDT by Makana
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To: James C. Bennett

Sounds pretty far fetched to me. Based on my extensive experience of playing Harpoon on computer, the ONLY way I could take out a US carrier (as the Russians) was to launch absolutely EVERYTHING, and hope one of the nukes got through.

I doubt this system would be particularly effective.


42 posted on 07/25/2012 3:11:19 AM PDT by Figure11 (There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in it or not.)
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To: moonshot925
An attack on one of our CVNs would provoke a nuclear response.

Just like our nuclear response to North Korea, North Vietnam and Al-Qaeda. Oh, wait ever mind.

43 posted on 07/25/2012 3:15:01 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Little Ray

I am not certain that Aegis can defeat a DF-21. Aegis could be effective against tactical ballistic missiles, but the DF-21 is a long range device that would overfly Aegis’ radar fence. Taiwan is installing long range surveillance radar, equivalent to PAVE PAWS, to keep an eye on China, which would almost certainly detect the launch of a DF21, if not effectively jammed.

What really, truly puzzles me is how they think you can get 200 kT from a FAE with a payload much less than one ton?

I also wonder about the OTH radar part. In time of hostilites, nothing would be easier to jam or spoof than an OTH radar. If they are going to track the carriers by satellite, they better pray for clear skies.


44 posted on 07/25/2012 3:53:14 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: central_va
Just like our nuclear response to North Korea, North Vietnam and Al-Qaeda. Oh, wait ever mind.

When did North Korea/Vietnam/Al-Qaeda attack one of our carriers?

45 posted on 07/25/2012 3:54:11 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Bobalu
"Any administration that did not counter-strike VERY powerfully after a carrier sinking would doom their party to at least 2 generations out of power."

I wouldn't want to take bets on an Obama Administration response. It would likely be whatever was the worst option for the US.

46 posted on 07/25/2012 3:54:55 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: James C. Bennett
"—the only device on Earth capable of sinking an aircraft carrier—....a two stage, land-launched missile with a maximum estimated range of 2,700 to 3,000 km. Its single fuel-air explosive warhead packs 200 to 500 kilotons."

Since a kiloton is 2 million pounds, this missile carries a half a billion pound warhead. It simply must land on the carrier, and sink it with its own weight.

47 posted on 07/25/2012 4:05:56 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: topher

the laser defense is tried, tested and fully operational... I read an article several years ago, they mounted one of these lasers on an M1 chassis... mounted it where the turret was, it looked like a huge searchlight on a tank.. anyway, 25 miles away they lit off a 155mm howitzer.... this thing tracked the projectile and shot it down IN FLIGHT... not once but 3 times in a row..

remember when north korea lit off it’s new ballistic missile and it self destructed? They immediately lit off a bunch of smaller ones that mysteriously self destructed also?

My guess is that our aircraft mounted laser system shot them down...

the aircraft carrier is obsolete, but so is the ballistic missile....


48 posted on 07/25/2012 4:26:20 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: norwaypinesavage

500 kilotons is a larger yield than the W-88, our second largest thermonuclear warhead in the active US arsenal.


49 posted on 07/25/2012 4:58:07 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Current Aegis class ships with SM3s have anti-ballistic missile capabilities. I think the DF-21 would be a piece of cake.


50 posted on 07/25/2012 5:02:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Its single fuel-air explosive warhead packs 200 to 500 kilotons

BS! That's the yield range of thermonuclear weapons.

51 posted on 07/25/2012 5:02:25 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Little Ray

Also, there are a lot of difficulties in gettng a fuel-air explosive to work properly. They are very sensitive to envirornmental variables. IOW’s you get a lot of fizzles.


52 posted on 07/25/2012 5:19:56 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: joe fonebone
"Funding for the program was cut in 2010 and the program was canceled in December 2011"

Wiki Boeing YAL-1

53 posted on 07/25/2012 5:24:31 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: yank in the UK
If it was made in china by Chinese workers then it will be a POS, it will be defective and probably malfunction like the rest of the junk that they make.

Maybe. But the bigger problem is that the forces deploying such a weapon need to exercise and test fire the system at simulated targets -- a lot. That's the only way to take a theoretical capability and make it an operational weapons system that is taken seriously by your adversary. So unless the Chinese start live-fire exercises over the South China Sea demonstrating that they can 'hit' a simulated CVBG, this is all smoke.

54 posted on 07/25/2012 5:31:38 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Bobalu
“But then history is replete with examples of just such stupidity.”

All good points. Their economy will nothing left if they attack us. Logically that would be a deterrent; but as you said, human history has many examples of stupidity.

55 posted on 07/25/2012 5:32:35 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27")
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To: Makana
Obviously, “Jane’s” refers to Fonda’s exercise video.
I could see a liberal saying that.
56 posted on 07/25/2012 6:03:04 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Little Ray

I think it would need to get a cue from another sensor. I doubt that it could autonomously acquire a DF21 post-boost phase.


57 posted on 07/25/2012 6:27:54 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Maybe, but there are awful lot of sensors in a CBG.


58 posted on 07/25/2012 6:40:47 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: philman_36
If you asked them what "Jane's" was they would probably lose their mind trying to come up with an answer.

I think you'd get a quick answer. It would have something to do with Jane Fonda.

59 posted on 07/25/2012 6:43:44 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right; Makana
It would have something to do with Jane Fonda.

You two are thinking alike.

60 posted on 07/25/2012 7:36:38 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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