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Missing the Point About Aurora
Townhall.com ^ | July 24, 2012 | Mona Charen

Posted on 07/24/2012 7:11:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 07/24/2012 7:11:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Question 1) Was James Holmes known to be mentally ill?
Question 2) Was James Holmes taking medication for mental illness?
Question 3) Were there red flags that should have indicated to friends and family that Holmes was a time bomb, ready to go off?

Question 4) If none of these things are true, then why are we having this conversation? Political agenda? Does everything have to be fodder for additional federal intervention?


2 posted on 07/24/2012 7:18:20 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Kaslin

Mona says that better mental health medical practice will fix mass killings???

She is one naive lady.

Unleashing our psychiatrists, psychologists, and our social workers on the nation is....Well, it’s exactly what has been done.

When the defense has its psych and the prosecution has its psych, and they consistently say opposite things, then we realize this is a field that it pretty much at odds with itself.


3 posted on 07/24/2012 7:21:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Does everything have to be fodder for additional federal intervention?

How about just a tad more fodder, but this time for liberty intervention?

Question 5) Did James have any reason to fear being shot back at while in the act of his massacre?

4 posted on 07/24/2012 7:23:51 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Kaslin

Last summer in Jackson Michigan a man beheaded an elderly neighbor because she was “emanating rays” at him. They found him wearing her clothes and holding a bag with her head in it.

It turned out that his family had repeatedly petitioned the court to lock him up for his own and public safety but the courts wouldn’t touch him.


5 posted on 07/24/2012 7:25:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: xzins

Unfortunately the psychological professions are almost exclusively the domain of the far left.


6 posted on 07/24/2012 7:27:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Does everything have to be fodder for additional federal intervention?

Of course it does. It might even work so well to flag and monitor people who have been treated for mental illness that we could extend that to include people who have seen a doctor for mild depression, or people who have simply acted a little unusual in a public venue, or hey, let's cover all the bases and just flag and monitor anyone who opposes the Democrat political agenda.

Mona Charen is the one who misses the point. The one about how easy it is to move from her supposedly simple solution to an effort to control the minds and acts of all citizens.

7 posted on 07/24/2012 7:28:16 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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The point behind Aurora.. Gun Up America! Practice your tactics, luckily I have a husband who is with me ninety percent of the time. Two person tactics are much easier, be sure to plan for the event of one person unable to fire. I am sick of mass killings in “Gun Free Zones”. Big signs that say Gun Free clearly only disarm law- abiding folks and increase casualties in cases where insane people come to die in a dramatic way. That man came to die, it is most unfortunate he did not. (I say that knowing he will face his Final Judgement). Now, he will be protected, vehemently be the media, as a poster- child for “it wasn’t his fault”.
Gun Free = More Innocent Victims.


8 posted on 07/24/2012 7:35:11 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia. 2016 starts today! Walker, Issa, Rubio,)
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To: newheart
It might even work so well to flag and monitor people who have been treated for mental illness that we could extend that to include people who have seen a doctor for mild depression, or people who have simply acted a little unusual in a public venue, or hey, let's cover all the bases and just flag and monitor anyone who opposes the Democrat political agenda.

Especially singled out for monitoring will be former military .... who knows, they might have PTSD (already happening).

9 posted on 07/24/2012 7:40:05 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Kaslin

What do you expect when even children carry around devices that can let them know and communicate and even fabricate, anything, at any time, to/from anywhere in the world.


10 posted on 07/24/2012 7:40:48 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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We and liberals have separate world views. Conservatives are generally Christians and as such believe that man is fallen and his only hope is Jesus Christ. Liberals believe man is basically good and unless he is corrupted by conservative talk show hosts or the site of hand guns then he cannot fall.


11 posted on 07/24/2012 7:44:18 AM PDT by Raycpa
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What about people that just believe man is man and things happen according to God’s plan?


12 posted on 07/24/2012 7:45:52 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Kaslin
We don't treat the mentally ill in hospitals anymore, we treat them in prisons

http://community.nicic.gov/blogs/mentalhealth/archive/2011/01/28/more-mentally-ill-persons-are-in-jails-and-prisons-than-hospitals-a-survey-of-the-states.aspx

13 posted on 07/24/2012 7:49:13 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: cripplecreek
I shudder to think what looser re-education mental illness incarceration laws would produce in a 2nd Obama term.
14 posted on 07/24/2012 7:54:07 AM PDT by moovova (Ladies & Gentlemen...Pandora has left the box.)
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Mitt St Jesus isn’t going to make any difference on either.


15 posted on 07/24/2012 8:05:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
the domain of the far left

For the most part that's true.

The medical field's research into the brain and dysfunctions of the brain has borne some fruit in terms of medicine and problems that has validity.

Where they go way off base is with the counseling side of the field. They throw together a hodge-podge of theory, research, and philosophy into justifications for whatever happens to be the pet worldview of whichever psych you happen to be talking to at the moment.

16 posted on 07/24/2012 8:29:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: KosmicKitty

Interesting chart.


17 posted on 07/24/2012 9:04:55 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: Kaslin
I don't think the basic point of discussion here should really revolve around "institutionalization" as a mechanism for dealing with loony-tunes. The basic problem, as I see it, is that you give enormous leeway to a government to declare people mentally unfit and put them away without due process.

The better approach would be to go back the way they did things in places where government was either non-existent or was incapable of dealing with this sort of thing. Every society in human history had their own way of dealing with various assorted freaks and misfits ... and it usually wasn't very pretty.

18 posted on 07/24/2012 9:18:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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You have to ask one more question:
What Obama problem is this taking our focus away from?


19 posted on 07/24/2012 9:50:53 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Repeal Obamacare, the CITIZENSHIP TAX)
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To: stuartcr
What about people that just believe man is man and things happen according to God’s plan?

Most people believe that man acts badly- war, crimes, pour grammer, etc. Of that group a large subset thinks man can become good and therefore learn to live in a world without war, crimes or tooth decay. Of that subset I generally see two divides, one that believes man can create a utopia and the other that believes man cannot create a utopia.

You raise an interesting question. Of the first grouping there may well be more groups in addition to "Man acts badly". There could be "man acts just as he was designed" or "mans actions are purely random events" or "man actions are neither good nor bad".

Given these additional starting categories, I still see two main sub groups for each of those types. People who believe man can create his own utopia and those who believe that its not possible for man to create his own utopia.

I will agree that there is a small number of other people who fall into other non-utopia subgroups including "those who care more about American Idol than man's future" as well as the much misunderstood minority group of zombies, and then there is the French.

20 posted on 07/24/2012 1:06:52 PM PDT by Raycpa
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