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America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers
Fox News ^ | 7-12-12 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 07/12/2012 3:03:02 PM PDT by dynachrome

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

Those were Abe Lincoln’s words in his first inaugural in 1861, as America was running headlong into civil war. Now we’re a house divided again and another civil war is coming, with the 2012 election as its Gettysburg.

Call it America’s coming civil war between the Makers and the Takers.

On one side are those who create wealth, America’s private sector–the very ones targeted by President Obama’s tax hikes announced Monday.

On the other are the public employee unions; left-leaning intelligentsia who see the growth of government as index of progress; and the millions of Americans now dependent on government through a growing network of government transfer payments, from Medicaid and Social Security to college loans and corporate bailouts and handouts (think GM and Solyndra).

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cw2; cwii; cwiiping; dependency; makers; takers
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Interesting that Fox News is using a headline like this.
1 posted on 07/12/2012 3:03:08 PM PDT by dynachrome
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To: Travis McGee

cw2 ping?


2 posted on 07/12/2012 3:03:56 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

I’ll bet the UN didn’t have multiple nations flying over the “unruly population” back in the 1860s like they do now.

This pResident has already taken at least one state (Arizona) and made a complaint about that US State to the United Nations.

Under Bush we were at least allowed to build our own wall even without federal support.

Under Obama I can easily see a scenario where Russian and Chinese jets do fly overs under the UN Flag to keep the “enemy within” under control.

This is a different day than our ancestors have ever seen and a different America than it was just 5 years ago.

Under this pResident and the UN - “No Fly Zones” have been redefined as “Carpet Bombing”.


3 posted on 07/12/2012 3:06:30 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: dynachrome

4 posted on 07/12/2012 3:06:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: dynachrome

Not Gettysburg. Fort Sumter.


5 posted on 07/12/2012 3:08:43 PM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: dynachrome; All

i’ve stated this on Freep in the past and have told many in political discussions the past three years; the coming civil war will not be between the haves and have nots rather those that do and those that don’t...

those that do take responsibility for themselves, those that do live within thier means, those that do pay their taxes, mortgages, bills on time and those that do sacrifice to make ends meet...

versus those that don’t and rely on those that do to pay their bills...

i am sick and effing tired of paying for everyone else...


6 posted on 07/12/2012 3:09:19 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: tsowellfan

Most likely both China and Russia will simply butt out.


7 posted on 07/12/2012 3:10:35 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dynachrome

When a dog and his fleas vote on whether or not to continue their relationship, nobody wonders how the vote goes.


8 posted on 07/12/2012 3:10:59 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: dynachrome

So Social Security recipients, who have been real producers all their life are now labeled takers? If that’s the best that they can come up with, we are sunk.


9 posted on 07/12/2012 3:11:36 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: dynachrome
Move the entire 'soon to be 100% unionized' health care industry over to the 'takers' column. Soon we'll be referring to 'teachers, police, fire, nurses and doctors".. The main purpose of Obamacare is to add more soldiers to 0bama's 'national civilian security force'. WHAT THE HELL ELSE COULD HE HAVE MEANT WHEN HE SAID THIS?
10 posted on 07/12/2012 3:11:55 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: dynachrome

It’s a fair article. I believe though that it’s message of warning has come to late. It’s no longer a matter of ‘if’, it’s now ‘when’. And I am so damn sad to have to say that.


11 posted on 07/12/2012 3:13:23 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Biggirl
Most likely both China and Russia will simply butt out.

I'm talking about UN fly overs at the request of the "American" pResident.

Just want to make that clear.

12 posted on 07/12/2012 3:13:52 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: dynachrome

Government is an expression of culture.

Like the days before the Civil War, when the country was strongly divided between two cultures, the country now is strongly divided between a culture of traditional family structure, hard work, self-reliance and private and faith-based charity on the one hand and on the other hand, cultural Marxism.

Cultural Marxism has the upper hand in influence because of its dominance in entertainment, mainstream media, universities and public schools.

Even if traditionalists were to capture the government, it won’t mean much in the long term unless traditional culture can find a space to flourish without the domination of cultural Marxism.

And in the long run, cultural Marxism must lead to a police state because only traditional culture sustains the conditions for a free society.


13 posted on 07/12/2012 3:14:05 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: dynachrome

Heck....All this time I’ve been arming myself to shoot zombies....

Shooting Progessives wouldn’t be any fun...they would whine, complain, get a trial lawyer involved...Sigh....

How about we just vote these b*sturds out?


14 posted on 07/12/2012 3:14:14 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: tsowellfan

I believe most likely other countries will simply not get involved, “that’s America’s problem” in other words.


15 posted on 07/12/2012 3:16:50 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dynachrome; All

Our Civil War resulted in the origin of the Jack-Boot Central Government that we have now.

Article V State Constitutional Conventions is a much better way to go.

It will take 32 States to hold and approve the terms, or we could just split up into Multi-State Regions.

One Region might be the States that the XL Pipeline will eventually run through, for example.

War bad, State Constitutional Conventions good.

Let the people vote with their feet to find the Liberty or Federal Slavery that they want.

Our ancestors did it when they left Europe, and now that Obamanation is now Europelite, it is time to vote with our feet inside what was once The United States of America.


16 posted on 07/12/2012 3:18:25 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: dynachrome

If the history of nations is our guide, the “takers” always win.


17 posted on 07/12/2012 3:19:13 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
So Social Security recipients, who have been real producers all their life are now labeled takers?

If that's the way they think, they'll be wasting a great resource.

18 posted on 07/12/2012 3:19:43 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: dynachrome

The "takers" are mostly those getting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid payments. Good luck "Makers" trying to see those cut.

19 posted on 07/12/2012 3:23:01 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

They have lumped Social Security recipients in with those programs where there is no required pay in. That is wrong.


20 posted on 07/12/2012 3:25:19 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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