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To: Uncle Chip
*****"and was currently on suspension from school for apparently punching a bus driver [does that count as "verified history of violence" or is that just part of his fight club training." *****

No, your own use of the word 'apparently' shows that you have nothing to support your claim.

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*****"Who do you think threw the first punch and the following ones?? the 6'2" lean mean 17 y/o fighting machine who didn't have a mark on him or the 5'7.5" slow obese 28 y/o office worker who was out of breath from 10 seconds of running and had blood covering 45% of his head???*****

What I "think" doesn't matter. What you "think" doesn't matter. All that does matter is what you can prove about who started the fight -- the guy with the gun or the one who ran away...what proof do you have? If none then man up and say so. Come on, say "I don't know who started the fight." It is the truth after all.

And, why was zimmerman out of breath from running for ten seconds? Who was he chasing? Don't bother - you don't know that he even was running.

Or you could explain this, how did zimmerman, according to you, have blood covering 45% of his head before the first punch was thrown?

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*****"in self defense especially when the other person on top of you will not call off his assault and is reaching for your gun."*****

There you go again...you have no proof that the guy who ran away then "assaulted" the guy with the gun who was following him. You know you don't. Man up and admit it.

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*****"There is nothing speculative about Tracy Martin's lies to the police on the morning of the 27th. He should have been investigated."*****

Please explain what anything Tracy Martin ever said to anybody has anything at all to do with what happened that night.

29 posted on 07/11/2012 5:40:38 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
No, your own use of the word 'apparently' shows that you have nothing to support your claim.

That's because you cannot trust anything that issues from the mouth of a Martin family member. Remember his father said he last saw Trayvon at 8:30 PM -- an hour after he had died at about 7:20 PM. Why the big lie???

What I "think" doesn't matter.

That you do think does though and I'm beginning to wonder.

All that does matter is what you can prove about who started the fight

No -- you are wrong. It is up to the prosecution to try to prove that and it still is only part of their problem.

All Zimmerman has to prove is that he felt fear for his life when that thug was on top of him, bashing his head into the concrete, and covering his mouth so he couldn't breathe or call out for help. And the last straw would be when he reached for the gun and told him that he was going to kill him. Slam dunk for shooting him in self-defense.

Or you could explain this, how did zimmerman, according to you, have blood covering 45% of his head before the first punch was thrown?

Who said it was "before"??? Have you been smoking something??? The EMT testified to it. It's part of the court record.

And, why was zimmerman out of breath from running for ten seconds? Who was he chasing?

It's a matter of the court record from the 911 call that TM had run and GZ couldn't find him to follow him half way through that 911 call. Whatever "chase" there was was over rather quickly as TM had run away and GZ was told he did not have to follow him. And from that point on the tape there is a conversation between GZ and the dispatcher for about 2 minutes until they hang up. It is a matter of court record. The call ends with TM having run away 2 minutes earlier and GZ not following.

Please explain what anything Tracy Martin ever said to anybody has anything at all to do with what happened that night.

Because he lied to the police and they caught him in a lie from the first conversation and that should have alerted them that something was wrong.

30 posted on 07/11/2012 6:39:13 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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