I have also read somewhere that the birth certificate numbering sequence for BO is out of sequence. Your speculation about a doctor simply filing forms from a distance and well after the fact would result in this very thing.
FReegards!
Posted on 07/07/2012 9:26:47 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
In my previously published article "Secrets Revealed," I concluded that what President Obama is concealing on his genuine long-form birth certificate (not the digital PDF forgery released to the public) is that his mother signed her maiden name.
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Personally, I think the preponderance of evidence shows that Obama's marriage to Ann Dunham was a legal contrivance that suited both their purposes -- Obama's as a means to maintain residency in the U.S. until he completed his studies, and Ann's (and maybe also her parents') to provide legitimacy to the baby's birth. In no way was this a meaningful marital relationship.
So were they really married? Yes, they went through the legal steps to become married. But because Obama the father was already married, the marriage wasn't legal -- and it certainly wasn't functional -- so they weren't really married in the way we understand marriage.
I know that my conclusion -- that Ann likely signed her maiden name to baby Barack's birth certificate because her marriage wasn't a real one, and that that's what's being hidden by the release of the "birth certificate" forgery -- is a huge disappointment to people who think that the president is hiding something much bigger -- like being born in Kenya. (Understandably, since releasing the digital PDF fake is a pretty big scam to cover up a pretty unimportant detail.)
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Everyone says- When she got pregnant’’’’’’.. Can someone show me where she was pregnant? besides the Fake BC.. Can someone show me were ann had Maya Soetoro? besides her fake hawaii BC.. you assume she was pregnant but with no proof— what if they are both adopted— who knows..
I have also read somewhere that the birth certificate numbering sequence for BO is out of sequence. Your speculation about a doctor simply filing forms from a distance and well after the fact would result in this very thing.
FReegards!
What points to this conclusion? I see nothing that points to this conclusion. All the evidence I have seen points to her having sex with Frank Davis at the time she became pregnant. I know of no evidence (and I doubt you do either) that indicates she was having sex with Barack Obama in November of 1960.
While Obama Sr. liked his conquests, he was probably not very happy about getting someone pregnant, and when he found out about Stanley Ann's liaisons with Davis it gave him grounds to take the position that the child was not his.
Where do you get this theory from? I see no reason to believe that Stanley would have told him she was having sex with Davis. Why would she do that? How would Barack Obama have discovered such information? You are not going where the evidence leads on this. If Stanley and Barack Obama were boyfriend and girlfriend, It makes no sense to believe that she would have EVER told Barack Obama she was having sex with Davis. You are just reading stuff into the theory that is not at all supported by plausible behavior on the part of the participants.
That would explain why he rejected her and didn't give a rat's ass about her after that.
No it wouldn't, because there is no way in H3ll He would have ever found out about it! Your theory makes no sense because it does not take into account human nature. She would not have told him she was having sex with someone else, and He would not have found out any other way. Certainly Davis wouldn't tell him.
No, it's much more plausible that She and Davis had an accident, and he was called in to provide cover for the both of them with her father.
Do you have any idea how angry her father would have been to discover his married best friend had just knocked up his underaged daughter? And with a black child in 1960? Do you have any idea what could have happened to Frank Davis had he been accused of raping a young white girl in 1960?
In some states, he wouldn't have even made it to trial. Granted, Hawaii was far more tolerant of such things than would have been the mainland, but still, he didn't know just how tolerant they would have been regarding such a thing, and he certainly didn't want to find out.
Even at best case, statutory rape would have called for a mandatory jail sentence, even in Hawaii. Being the only Black guy in prison, and having gone to prison for impregnating a white girl, (again, a felony in half the mainland states) He may very well have not wanted to face the other inmates. And then there is his wife. Do you think she would have taken it well that he impregnated a young girl after having had four children for him herself?
No, Davis had VERY GOOD REASONS for getting someone else to claim paternity. This explanation makes far more sense than "Barack found out Stanley-Ann was a slut and lost respect for her."
Stanley would probably not have been happy about this, but I don't believe he was the uptight guy you paint him as.
Davis and his wife were swingers. In Davis' book, he talks about another couple who came to Hawaii from the Pacific Northwest and with whom they swung.
I think this other swinging couple may have been in reality Stanley and Madelyn Dunham. He changed a few minor details about them, but given how close they were it would make sense that Stanley and Madelyn were also leftwing radicals and swingers like Davis and his wife.
Also, your theory about Stanley or Stanley Ann slipping Obama Sr. a few bills in order to pretend to be the father makes no sense.
At the time he was at U of H Barack Obama Sr. looked forward to a future in which in his mind he would be one of the leaders of his country, maybe even the president. He was doing well in his study of economics and from all accounts was possessed of a big ego.
It is just nonsense to think that this guy who had the highest opinion of himself and planned to go back to Kenya and lead his country would get permanently entangled in some local girl's problem by accepting a few bills to pretend to be the father of her baby by someone else.
And we KNOW he was a playboy and that Stanley Ann was attracted to him. It seems an open-and-shut case that they would have hooked up.
Because the real father was too high profile (Malcolm X?) and Obama Sr. was the chosen one to provide cover?
We’ve had the divorce papers for some time. Page 11 is missing. Which is believed to be the duly recorded Birth Certificate of JR.
“If the whole point of the marriage was to give legitimacy to the baby (from Ann's point of view) and help Sr. with his immigration status (from his point of view), then it makes absolutely NO sense at all that she then wouldn't go ahead and fill in her ‘husband's’ name on the birth certificate.”
I agree. The article writer provides a pretty comprehensive compilation of documentary evidence establishing Ann Dunhan as an HI wife of BHO Sr and also as mother of an infant named BHO II, but zero support for any reason Ann Dunham would omit BHO Sr. from any alleged HI BC, if there ever was one. Stay tuned for July 17 Arpaio Posse presser!
IMO all of the documents displayed in the article corroborate each other establishing SADO as HI wife of BHO Sr. mom of BHO II from multiple sources (HI vital data print-out, multiple FOIA docs, U of WA transcript, HI divorce (also Seattle polk not shown).
There were at least parties with the means, motive and opportunity to have spirited Ann Dunham to Kenya to hide a potentially scandalous pregnancy from the public and the FBI.
1. Frank Marshall Davis. Under investigation as a communist agitator he may have wanted to avoid publicity and even criminal liability for pictures/paternity involving underage Ann Dunham, perhaps wanting even to hide all this from his KGB handlers.
2. KGB. Had a lot invested in Frank Davis and also in BHO Sr. who was a raving communist speaking at KGB-front union events while in HI and likely being groomed to be a Marxist mole in the anticipated independent Kenya. An alleged marriage and assumed paternity by BHO Sr of FMD's baby would protect both FMD and BHO Sr. from being fingered as father of an illegitimate black baby. Also BHO Sr. would have an anchor baby US citizen to enhance his possible path as a future communist mole in the USA.
3. Elizabeth Mooney Kirk. Financed BHO Srs Hawaii adventure herself. She could have been highly motivated to protect her investment in BHO Sr from being derailed by a youthful sexual indiscretion and would have been in a position to provide a hiding place for Ann Dunham "out of sight" during her pregnancy.
She had little if anything to do with other family members; therefore, her source of information is 0....0 is an habitual liar...as was his mother from what we can tell.....Case closed. No need to even consider her witness, it's unreliable at best.
Where do you get this "She flew to Chicago" stuff? I have been all over this issue for the last several years, and I have NEVER heard an allegation that she flew to Chicago after giving birth. People write crap on the internet all the time. We have to be very dubious regarding crap that we read. Never believe anything unless you can find some way of backing it up with decent evidence.
As for Stanley Armour impregnating an African woman. NONSENSE! Stanley Ann Showed up in Seattle in late August according to her friend at the time, Susan Blake. She said she distinctly remembers the time because she had just came back from vacation in California where she had to leave early because of all the fires threatening the area she was in. (I checked, there were fires that year in that area of California, the city of which she mentioned, I no longer recall. San Mateo I think.)
Susan Blake CHANGED HIS DIAPER in August of 1961. Stanley Ann's Father DID NOT have a child with some African woman, then take the child away from her to give to his daughter as a plaything to take to Seattle Washington in August of 1961! That is an utterly cockamamie theory upon which no time should be wasted. The known evidence refutes that theory forcefully and conclusively.
The child Stanley Ann had was hers, and that child was the person whom we currently refer to as Barack Obama.
Marriage in Kenya was a tribal ritual and not a legal marriage....Common law kind of thing. Kenya also allows multiple marriages.
As to the biological father: all state recognize the spouse as the legal father whether or not they are the biological father. First hand experience with my step children...Their mom tried to deny visitation on grounds kids were not biologically her husbands....all it got her was having custody denied to her.
No evidence? Stanley Ann herself said she was having sex with him. She absolutely worshiped the guy. We know from accounts of him from people who knew him and from the administrators at both U of H and Harvard that he was a playboy who screwed around. In fact, the only evidence that would suggest any doubt that they hooked up was comments that he was known for bagging blondes. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't do a willing brunette who threw herself at his feet.
You must be trying to peddle your theory that Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. did not and would not have hooked up to people who have not read any of the accounts of what he was like or of her obsession with him.
Where do you get this theory from? I see no reason to believe that Stanley would have told him she was having sex with Davis. Why would she do that? How would Barack Obama have discovered such information?
I wouldn't it put it past Davis himself to tell Obama Sr. Obama Sr. may well have come off as being conceited and as a Luo African feeling himself superior to American blacks who were descended from slaves. Davis may have wanted to put the insufferable Obama Sr. in his place by showing him naked photos of his wife.
Or there are innumerable other ways information like that gets around. People LOVE gossip and to spread info like that. Davis may have been showing around his porno pics to various people and bragging about his artistic style. People get drunk, and say things. Maybe there was someone else in that circle who couldn't stand the conceited African and passed the word along that Davis had naked photos of Stanley Ann. That is what human nature is like.
And please spare us the ridiculous Deep South comparisons. (By the way, "To Kill a Mockingbird" is a fictional novel)
And you are wrong about there being almost no blacks in Hawaii. Oahu is covered with US military installations, and there would have been numerous black service members from all branches of the armed forces on Oahu.
I said i thought it was chicago— Im saying that it dont add up
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/03/ins-record-found-showing-certificate-of.html
I saw that when it first came out. I thought it was quite interesting, and it initially lent credence to the possibility that he was born in Kenya. It was originally broke in an article at the Daily Pen I think. It has subsequently been debunked. I don't recall what specifically is wrong with it, but I do recall reading an article which found a serious flaw in it.
One thing I do recall is that the entry was for the entire region, of which Kenya is only a part. I think it covered the entire Eastern section of Africa.
I'm not going to go looking for the article which I read that debunked it, it is sufficient for me that I remember looking at this evidence, and that I discovered that someone had determined from other evidence that it could not possibly have been Barack Obama. I figure after the 17th of July it won't matter, but if there is still a question of his having been born in Kenya after that date, I'll see if I can look up the story which debunked that INS record.
(now that I think about it, I think the date was wrong somehow.)
Folks, that’s it for me today. I’ve got work to do, and I need to get back to it. I’ll check in tomorrow and respond to any messages left for me.
DL
Outside shot during day... With a flash?
Every picture of Obama from before his public life looks photoshopped or is weird in some way.
Look at that picture. Odd.
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