Posted on 07/05/2012 3:17:34 PM PDT by firedawg76
OK fellow Freepers, I'm in need of some assistance. I am constantly getting into debates with liberals I work with who, of course, just love ObamaTaxCare. Like good liberals, when I present them facts demonstrating what a terrible law this is, they simply ignore them.
One problem I have is that when they ask what the Republicans plan is, I'm having some difficulty. I know what the tenets of the Republicans plan would look like, such as tort reform, selling insurance across State lines, high risk pools, etc. Has there been formally been a plan introduced by the GOP or Mittens yet? I have to admit that if they have put one out, I haven't been paying attention as closely as I should be. If they haven't, I definitely think they need to put out something. I don't think just saying we will dump ObamaTaxCare is enough. I believe we need to have something to tell the American Public what will be put in it's place as a viable alternative. Thanks for any assistance!
Stop “getting into debates with liberals.” What in the world makes you want to beat your head against that wall? Sheesh.
I’m leaning toward Clark Durant but would have no problem voting for Hoekstra.
Here is your problem. They are emotion driven people. They don't do well with facts. If they did, they could add numbers up and figure out that every liberal idea ever thought of is a failure.
The only thing that works on these people is emotion. You have to lead with emotion, you have to argue with emotion, and you can only beat them with emotion.
I know this is a difficult concept for a fact driven person to wrap their mind around, but I assure you that irrational arguments work on irrational people. Focus on "Death Panels" and cite England's NHS as an example. Moan about all the poor people who are suffering because the government runs medicine with as much empathy as the Nazis ran death camps.
Use arguments like that, and you'll have better luck. But facts? They are often a hindrance when arguing with Liberals. In a nation that knows more about Snooki than they do about George Washington, reasoning is a waste of time.
Talked with three “independent’ oouples over the holiday. The only thing the seem to know is positive item. ...keeping kids till 26 on parents healthcare etc.
MSM and GOPee are not getting the message out. Repealing Obamacare with out telling why and what will replace it is not helping the cause.
Message needs to be simple :
TAXATION BY MISREPRESENTATION (250+ new taxes)
Or by a few bullet points. Got two, need one or two more.
REPEAL OBAMACARE
* Over 230 new taxes, (some not dealing with health care)
* 13,000 pages of regulation emerged from the new laws it creates.
Maybe a creative Freeper can make graphic from them for all of us to share.
There is no other alternative to the soundly discredited socialized medical care systems around this world - other than government-hands-off policies of freedom that we have had.
Just look at the world-wide record. England, where health-care is a murderous joke, leaving the elderly to die without so much as a saddened glance - while throwing them out the door.
Look at the gigantic failure in Canada, where many (no most) came to the US and paid for care they could not get in Canada.
The only alternative is freedom. Freedom to buy health-care options from vendors free to create and market decent, competitive and affordable plans - without any sort of government interference - the kind of plans that I've been able to purchase in the United States since the early 1960's - without socialist wreaking-balls getting in my way.
Simply put, any American that thinks socialized medicine in this nation will be a success are more than just fooling themselves - they are trying to fool you, while often lying through their teeth, knowingly wanting to destroy what is left of the greatest healthcare system this world has ever known.
Tell them that history and common-sense proves that socialized medical care is a hideous world-wide failure.
Would yuu add your death panal to bullet points maybe we can get some one to make a graphic.
I know...but I just can’t help myself sometimes. I can only listen to so much stupidity before I have to set them straight.
“I know...but I just can’t help myself sometimes. I can only listen to so much stupidity before I have to set them straight.”
Do you have any shiny objects you can flash to distract them?
The answer is this thing called "competition."
Right now, there's all sorts of restrictions on health insurance providers. Like they can't cross State lines, they have to keep certain minimums, they can't include various things under various circumstances.
And while the restrictions are created by the government, the health insurance itself lobbies for the restrictions, in order to destroy competition, so fewer and fewer, and bigger and bogger, health insurers exist.
It's all bull. Get rid of the free market restictions, and the health insurance business will explode with competition, and helath care costs will plummet - and then the Left won't be able to use it's whip hand against people to join the "collective" over this issue, because healthcare will be affordable and easy to get by everyone, and the tax burden will be negligible.
Ah, and medical research will be unstrapped that way as well, so people can invest without fear they won't be able to develop their inventions except under government and mega-corporate control and domination.
The free market is the answer you're looking for.
you have no recourse under government healthcare
you can sue the insurance company into insolvency
with ghettocare, you'll just be dead
Well a lot sure as hell has to be undone. Creating an environment for free-market practices to exist has nothing to do with promoting socialized medicine.
Any existing federal law limiting free-market should be repealed. You have to introduce bills to repeal this crap.
Tort reform was the first thing he mentioned.
The two parties HAVE to work together if they are serious about reforming healthcare.
REJECT THE PREMISE
WRONG! The Communists want only single-payer.
Unless, of course, by "the two parties" you meant the GOP and the TEApublicans.
50% are NOT left out
where do you get this crap?
That position has not been mentioned in opening of this thread. It is a question of what Republicans plan to do when they say repeal and REPLACE.
The answers were given last Sunday Morning, which are:
1. Selling across state lines.
2. High Risk Pools.
3. Tort Reform.
There are several more, which have nothing to do with the RATs nor with promoting national healthcare.
The Republican position on health insurance public policy is free-market reform.
Are you somehow against that?
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