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Under siege: "Stop and frisk" polarizes New York
Reuters ^ | 7/3/2012

Posted on 07/03/2012 8:28:08 AM PDT by EBH

Telly Hudgins has been stopped and frisked by the police too many times to count in the Brownsville, New York, public housing project where he lives. One occasion sticks in his memory. "I had my pajamas on and my slippers on and I'm emptying my garbage" at the trash chute. "They asked me for ID to prove I lived there. Who walks around in their pajamas with ID?" asked the black, 35-year-old counselor for the mentally handicapped. He says he complained about the search and was issued a summons for disorderly conduct.

Deborah Richardson, 60, a black postal worker, has delivered mail in east Brooklyn's Brownsville for 14 years. She takes a different view of the New York Police Department's contentious Stop, Question and Frisk policy. "I'd like to see more stops and frisks," she said, leaning out of her postal truck. "This is a dangerous neighborhood. I won't even go up in those monstrosities anymore," she said, gesturing toward one of the towering housing complexes where she once pushed a mail cart. After four years of what she says was harassment from residents, many waiting for welfare checks, she got a transfer to a parcel truck delivery route.

For nearly two months the NYPD's stop-and-frisk policy has drawn New York City into an emotional debate about race, policing and Fourth Amendment rights. Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly have fiercely defended the program against an onslaught of criticism from judges, civil rights leaders and a vocal block of Democratic politicians. It has become a defining issue for next year's mayoral election.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2012; democrats; mayorbloomberg; nyc; nypd; rapeofliberty; stopandfrisk; waronliberty
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To: thefactor
So, you’re fine with a cop being murdered but you’re not ok with cops stopping someone for 3 minutes if there is reasonable suspicion that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime. You sound like a total j/o, IMHO.

In general, I couldn't care less if a cop is killed, especially in a place like New York, where the citizens are almost completely disarmed, and the police are just fine with that. In fact, in such places, I care considerably less about the death of a cop than just about the death of just about any other citizen.

And no, I'm not fine with cops searching just anyone they get a hankering to. Remember it was you who said:

"You can give a DisCon summonse to a ham sandwich and it’ll hold up in court".

Too bad there are so many cops out there like you who think so little of abusing their authority that you'd make a comment like that here. You, and other cops like you are why so many citizens don't give a rats ass what happens to you. In general, I wouldn't take the time to urinate if you were on fire.

61 posted on 07/03/2012 2:07:57 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: green iguana
Just the opposite, taking your garbage to the communal garbage shoot in NYC is extremely suspicious.
62 posted on 07/03/2012 3:20:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: thefactor
“Lawless” is issuing a “DisCon” (isn't that a pweshus cyoot li’l expweshun?) “summonse” (sic) to a “ham sandwich” (your words) or pretending that a guy in his PJs taking the trash to the curb constitutes any kind of cause for your “Terry Stop”.

More broadly, and this only applies to you if you know in your heart that it does, “lawless” is the sort of dog-shooting, granny-beating, hassling-open-carriers behavior that gets documented all to often — and often with video — on these pages.

By the way, this is the last “so, ...” posting of yours that I will answer.

You are known.

63 posted on 07/03/2012 3:21:55 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now, or something.)
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To: thefactor
Take it from this NYC cop. You can give a DisCon summonse to a ham sandwich and it’ll hold up in court. It takes about 3 minutes to write one and they are good tickets to write.

You are obviously one of the 90% of the cops who give the other 10% a bad name. I think it's appalling there are cops who prowl the streets and think screwing innocent people for life with criminal misdemeanors (for failure to grovel) is a wonderful thing.

You make me want to puke. I'm with that guy who wouldn't piss on you to put out a fire.

64 posted on 07/03/2012 3:43:16 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: thefactor
So, you’re fine with a cop being murdered but you’re not ok with cops stopping someone for 3 minutes if there is reasonable suspicion that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime. You sound like a total j/o, IMHO.

After reading the totality of your comments, I'm forced to agree with the your first clause. If a few of you get knocked off for refusing to respect the citizens, there will be fewer of you with that chip on your shoulder. IMHO. My apologies to the families of JBTs everywhere.

65 posted on 07/03/2012 3:51:36 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: thefactor

“So, you’re fine with a cop being murdered but you’re not ok with cops stopping someone for 3 minutes if there is reasonable suspicion that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime. You sound like a total j/o, IMHO.

Why shouldn’t we be fine with someone killing a cop? You seem to think our civil rights are optional and the Constitution is your toilet paper.
And why would I believe your ‘reasonable suspicion” when to you simply the act of breathing is reasonable suspicion.
You earned the opinion people have of you.


66 posted on 07/03/2012 7:40:47 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: varyouga
Not only should the corrupt cop have gotten 10-20 years in jail, The judge in that case should have gotten the same.

There should be mandatory 10 year felony for any "Govt. Official" breaking their "oath of Office"

67 posted on 07/04/2012 9:03:14 AM PDT by HP8753 (Live Free!!!! .............or don't.)
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To: green iguana

“The cops there know the stops are illegal w/o out consent or reasonable suspicion. Few of the people they stop know it tho’. I’m curious to see how one would react when a very polite person they stopped turned out to be someone who did know.”

It amazes me the number of people that have no idea what their rights are. Even more amazing is the number of cops who either have no idea or else feel perfectly comfortable violating someones rights.


68 posted on 07/04/2012 9:22:42 AM PDT by snarkybob (')
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To: Publius Valerius

A terrible day for freedom in this country.


69 posted on 07/04/2012 10:04:45 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: DJ Taylor

Nah...stop and frisk is unconstitutional...there’s no probable cause for these stops.

The cops do it nonetheless. They’re basically thugs themselves. If middle-class people were routinely stopped and searched every day like blacks in NYC are, there would be outrage.

Ed


70 posted on 07/05/2012 10:26:59 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: thefactor

A Terry stop says there has to be a threat of violence. There’s no threat of violence in the vast majority of these cases...there’s just some black guy walking down the street.

If you had to endure that nonsense everyday, you’d be pissed off about it, too.

Ed


71 posted on 07/05/2012 10:28:42 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: wbill

Cops use Disorderly Conduct all the time to hassle people they don’t like.

I was circulating a petition to stop taxpayer-funded abortions in Oregon, and a friend of mine was doing the same. She was standing on a sidewalk with a sign advertising the petition. They told her to move off the sidewalk or they’d charge her with Disorderly Conduct, even though all she was doing was standing there with a sign.

Ed


72 posted on 07/05/2012 10:33:59 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: itsahoot

Bloomie became a Republican only because there were less Pubbies running than Dems. He switched his party ID back to Independent a few years ago.

Ed


73 posted on 07/05/2012 10:37:34 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: green iguana
There’s nothing reasonably suspicious in taking your garbage to the communal garbage shoot in your PJs.

Unless the 'communal garbage shoot' is well known as a place to meet to buy/sell drugs, and it's the middle of the night, and the cops have it staked out.

74 posted on 07/05/2012 11:05:31 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Publius Valerius; thefactor
assuming that is the full extent of the story

...and therein lies the rub.

75 posted on 07/05/2012 11:08:50 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: ExGeeEye; thefactor
Lawless behavior, under color of law, by an officer of the law, should result in that officer being declared Outlaw, in the full medieval sense of the term.

Yet... Eric Holder walks free.

76 posted on 07/05/2012 11:11:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: wideawake; green iguana

Would it end up on an episode of COPS ?


77 posted on 07/05/2012 11:16:35 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: green iguana; dmz

Do you hang out at the garbage receptacle , in your pajamas, late at night?


78 posted on 07/05/2012 11:19:54 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: LevinFan
and watch my cooperation evaporate.

Probably what Telly Hudgins said to the cops, although much more 'slang' was probably used.

79 posted on 07/05/2012 11:25:57 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Sir_Ed

“thefactor” hasn’t posted since he self-identified as a member of a large band of gleeful JBTs, handing out Disorderly Conducts like candy to everybody who pi$$es him off by refusing to grovel.

Or something like that. He didn’t deny it, so I applied the same level of scrutiny he (?) does on a daily basis.


80 posted on 07/05/2012 11:38:14 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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