Posted on 07/03/2012 8:28:08 AM PDT by EBH
Telly Hudgins has been stopped and frisked by the police too many times to count in the Brownsville, New York, public housing project where he lives. One occasion sticks in his memory. "I had my pajamas on and my slippers on and I'm emptying my garbage" at the trash chute. "They asked me for ID to prove I lived there. Who walks around in their pajamas with ID?" asked the black, 35-year-old counselor for the mentally handicapped. He says he complained about the search and was issued a summons for disorderly conduct.
Deborah Richardson, 60, a black postal worker, has delivered mail in east Brooklyn's Brownsville for 14 years. She takes a different view of the New York Police Department's contentious Stop, Question and Frisk policy. "I'd like to see more stops and frisks," she said, leaning out of her postal truck. "This is a dangerous neighborhood. I won't even go up in those monstrosities anymore," she said, gesturing toward one of the towering housing complexes where she once pushed a mail cart. After four years of what she says was harassment from residents, many waiting for welfare checks, she got a transfer to a parcel truck delivery route.
For nearly two months the NYPD's stop-and-frisk policy has drawn New York City into an emotional debate about race, policing and Fourth Amendment rights. Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly have fiercely defended the program against an onslaught of criticism from judges, civil rights leaders and a vocal block of Democratic politicians. It has become a defining issue for next year's mayoral election.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
"This is a dangerous neighborhood. I won't even go up in those monstrosities anymore," she said, gesturing toward one of the towering housing complexes where she once pushed a mail cart.Can you imagine living there?
Why would you love it?
Would it fulfill some tough-guy/street lawyer fantasy?
How do you think things would go?
Would you refuse to cooperate and walk away?
Would you refuse to cooperate and argue fine legal points, dazzling the cop with your knowledge?
Do you think you would intimidate the cop into backing down just by your physical posture?
Bloomberg inherited a safer city and a successful anti-crime program from New York's previous administration.
Oh, and by the way, let me say that at any given time about 60% of the people in Brownsville are walking around in their PJs. On the streets, in stores, on the playgrounds. That's how they walk around all day, everyday. Also, a frisk for weapons does not require consent. People don't know the difference between a frisk and a search.
I’m wrong he’d end up in jail??
Oh right, unless he was family.
Love was the wrong word. The cops there know the stops are illegal w/o out consent or reasonable suspicion. Few of the people they stop know it tho’. I’m curious to see how one would react when a very polite person they stopped turned out to be someone who did know.
It’ll never happen tho’, as I don’t fit the mold they’re looking for.
Brownsville is a deadly part of town. And these public housing projects are mostly storage bins for addicts and criminals. The government takes all the dregs and subsidizes their projects.
What this amounts to is a government “solution” to a government-caused problem, all subsidized with somebody else’s tax dollars.
A Terry Stop requires reasonable suspicion. I tend not to give people reason to be suspicious...
<><><><>
If a cop needs reasonable suspicion to stop and frisk you, and is motivated to stop and frisk you, how difficult do you think it will be to have some somehow materialize?
And your legal remedies are AFTER you’ve spent some time in the slammer, and what do you anticipate will be the ramifications to the cop? I’d say zero.
Either way, you’re spending the night in jail, your anonymous internet forum tough guy talk notwithstanding.
Hmm - somehow I missed the tough-guy talk.
Your first post - the I’d love for it to happen to me comment ....
Sounded like you intend to show the cop a thing or two.
My apologies if what you meant was that you’d simply give the cop a stern talking to.
The strict gun laws are working.
Yup - I already said love was the wrong word. That sentence could be read the way you did, tho’ that was not my intent.
“A stern talking to” - LOL - no, not even that. Just polite, informed non-consent. If he went ahead and frisked anyway, I’d file a suit after. I wouldn’t give him a reason for an arrest during.
Last I saw, it was a table with two NYPD and two TSA, in view of the token booth.
Bring friends
Do you have a link with that information in case I ever need it? I wouldn’t know where to look to find it.
I have no idea what that means.
If I visited NYC I’d be sure to carry baggies of powdered sugar in my pockets just to make the cops think they have justified their unconstitutional act of “stop and frisk.”
If they asked me what it was I would respond with, “food supplement.” LOL!
Hmmmmmm. Something doesn't smell right, here.
I'll grant that I don't live in NYC. However, this smells like "All cops hate me. What's wrong with every single one of them?".
And, I'd like to know what he said that got him a "Disorderly Conduct" summons. What cop would prefer all of the associated paperwork to "OK, sir, could you run in and grab an ID for me and we'll put this thing to bed?" or somesuch.
Making it harder for someone like me to own firearms to protect myself and the people I care about does not constitute to me a successful anti-crime program.
Unreasonable searches and frisks being illegal.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.