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IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT TAKING THE COUNTRY BACK, STUDY THE FAIRTAX IN-DEPTH BEFORE DRAWING CONCLUSIONS. ASK ME QUESTIONS. I HAVE SEEN ALL THE DEBATES AND OPPOSITION. IW WILL SHOW YOU BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT AND SHOW YOU THE HOLES IN THE OPPOSING ARGUMENTS. THESE HOLES ARE WIDE AND ARE THE REASON I AM AN ARDENT FAIRTAX SUPPORTER.

START HERE:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq

STUDY, STUDY, STUDY AND ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS. THEN GET BUSY IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

1 posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:04 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: Hostage

*NO* to “FAIR” TAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With its Orwellian name to its ‘pre-bates’ and deceptive and hidden “tax-inclusive” rates, it is as big a turd as the current system

FLAT TAX OR NOTHING~!!

10% ACROSS THE BOARD- NO EXEMPTIONS!


2 posted on 06/28/2012 10:27:33 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Hostage

How about NO to both?


3 posted on 06/28/2012 10:32:21 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Hostage

Did someone turn over a rock?


4 posted on 06/28/2012 10:38:13 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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You are right about repealing the 16th Amendment. Do that, and then we can start over. I prefer a flat tax myself, no deductions, kicks in after about $50k or so.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 10:39:54 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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Repeal of the 16th is a lovely notion.

But since we don’t seem to be able to reliably win presidential or congressional elections, it’s pretty much a pipe dream.

Repealing (or passing) an amendment is 10x or 20x harder than winning a simple election.

Why don’t we concentrate on electing a president and building a super-majority in Congress, and then talk about possible amendments? You gotta have a 2/3 majority in both houses of Congress, anyway, to pass an amendment.

(There is an alternative approach, but it’s never been successfully used, and there’s no reason to think it would be any easier than the congressional route.)


6 posted on 06/28/2012 10:40:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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FairTax is better than our current Marxist Income Tax we have now.

All Income Tax is progressive.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 10:41:42 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When I said "close the borders", I did not mean the bookstore chain)
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We will never again be a TRULY free people for so long as we continue to abide the communist inspire income tax and the IRS!

http://www.fairtax.org


8 posted on 06/28/2012 10:41:42 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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If health care reform violates the tenth amendment, the “fairtax” trashes it completely.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 10:45:44 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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Repealing the 16th amendment is moot. The SCOTUS just said that Congress can tax anyone and anything it wants, without any amendments being necessary.


11 posted on 06/28/2012 10:54:31 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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While I’m in favor of the FairtTax, it really has no bearing on this issue. The “taxes” (read: penalties) in Obamacare are above and beyond normal taxes, no matter how they are collected.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 10:57:35 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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Not this nonsense again that was shot down already.

If you really believe in the concepts of the founding fathers of this country, then no individual should be paying income or property taxes.


26 posted on 06/28/2012 11:26:07 AM PDT by Outland (Ping me when the revolution starts. Anything less won't fix this mess.)
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One thing is for SURE Hostage.

IT'S TIME for a NEW WAY to do the same old thing, TAX us.

Some agree with you, others will tell you you're daft.

Nonetheless, "IT'S TIME for a NEW WAY to do the same old thing."

Hang in there. I'll listen to what you have to offer. May not always agree, but, I'll listen and evaluate your POV.

32 posted on 06/28/2012 11:49:08 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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On January 10, 2008, the Federal District Court in Chicago issued a permanent injunction against Bill Benson on the grounds that by offering information demonstrating that the 16th Amendment was not legally ratified, he was promoting an abusive tax shelter. The Court then refused to look at the government-certified documentary evidence, deciding instead that the facts necessary to prove his statements true were “irrelevant.”

What has America come to when the government we created to protect our rights can accuse us of lying and then prohibit us from presenting a defense in a court of law?

. . .

Watch the Benson Video

The Premise

The federal government rests its authority to collect income tax on the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution—the federal income tax amendment—which was allegedly ratified in 1913.

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

—The 16th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America

After an extensive year-long nationwide research project, William J. Benson discovered that the 16th Amendment was not ratified by the requisite three-fourths of the states and that nevertheless Secretary of State Philander Knox had fraudulently declared ratification.

It was a shocking revelation; it reached deep to the core of our American system of government.

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/


61 posted on 06/28/2012 7:04:48 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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