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Affordable Care Act SCOTUS Decision--Live Thread
SCOTUSblog ^ | June 28, 2012 | SCOTUSblog

Posted on 06/28/2012 4:56:21 AM PDT by John W

Today is the day. SCOTUSblog live at 8:45 AM.

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To: PAConservative1

Looks like STATES CAN OBJECT WITHOUT HAVING THEIR MEDICARE FUNDS REMOVED.

States can leave ACA.


341 posted on 06/28/2012 7:31:51 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: paul544
Right. Exactly. You don't want to play by the Muslims' rules? Pay the taqiyya and become a dhimmi.

dhimmi: is a historical term referring to non-Muslim subjects of a Muslim state.

342 posted on 06/28/2012 7:32:47 AM PDT by reegs
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To: exit82

>If the word “tax” is not in the bill, how can the Supreme Court deem a fee a tax—a tax which forces you to buy a product as a condition of your liberty? That is unprecedented.

You can tax an activity or an item you posses, but you cannot use a tax to force commerce, and then take away a person’s libert as a means to force that commerce.

I don’t know how you reconcile the mandate does not work under the commerce clause and then say the taxing power can be used to create commerce.

This is complete bullsh!t.<

That’s what is so confusing, but remember, this thing is such a behemoth of a bill that the language calling the mandate a tax could have been hidden in the depths heaven knows where.

Remember Pelousy told us they’d have to pass the darn thing before anyone would know what was in it.


343 posted on 06/28/2012 7:32:51 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: tapatio

They are saying it is constitutional because one is not forced to comply with the mandate. You can refuse to comply and pay a tax instead. And taxes are not unconstitutional when imposed by Congress. So they are saying it is ok to be forced to pay a tax so long as you are not being forced to comply with a mandate. Crazy


344 posted on 06/28/2012 7:33:11 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

Well I guess the rumor that Roberts was writing the majority opinion still might be true. He just didn’t write the opinion we were looking for.


345 posted on 06/28/2012 7:34:16 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: John W; mandaladon; Psycho_Bunny; MNDude; katiedidit1; CitizenUSA; AuH2ORepublican; ...
There’s a reason Roberts was confirmed easily by the Senate Dems whereas they fought like hell against Alito.

If the vote was going to be 5-4 to uphold anyway, doesn't matter what Roberts voted for.

If the three women, Breyer and Kennedy were already on board, then so what? Again, looks like Roberts hopped over the fence to be able to influence the wording of the decision.

In other words, as everyone feared, it really only came down to what side of the bed Kennedy woke up on. Right? Kennedy.

346 posted on 06/28/2012 7:34:42 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: StAnDeliver
If it's a tax, it can be repealed -- by the House.
Overturn it today.

If it's a tax, it can be regulated -- by the House. Starve the beast today.


yep :)
347 posted on 06/28/2012 7:34:53 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: LostInBayport

My initial take was that Roberts screwed us, but if you look at his ruling, he appears to be taking a very non-political, strict view of what’s before him. His opinions are full of fluff, but based on the law, even the laws that he may not like.


348 posted on 06/28/2012 7:35:04 AM PDT by paul544
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To: altura

Soros’ decision to have Obamacare stand is a signal that he doesn’t care what happens electorally. Look for something to keep the elections from happening. If nothing else, the run on the bank that Soros has been threatening Roberts with...

People, like it or not, America has just been through a communist-Islamist coup. Nothing works any more. Either we force this guy out of office by sheer strength, or we are done.


349 posted on 06/28/2012 7:35:06 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: edpc
This is nothing more than an open invitation for unlimited governmental power.

Invitation? More like affirmation.

350 posted on 06/28/2012 7:35:22 AM PDT by kevao
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To: paul544
It means you are not being forced to buy anything. Only that you have an option not to, but must pay a tax if you don’t.

So in other words.. if I don't want to purchase something I have to pay a tax in order not to purchase that something?

What the heck kind of ruling is that?

351 posted on 06/28/2012 7:35:32 AM PDT by tapatio (In memory of my Dad 5-27-26 2-4-2010)
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To: glennaro

“Roberts decided with the Left on Arizona and Stolen Valor as well as Obamacare. Thank you, George W. Bush.”

The common thread: Lying. Roberts is OK with the President lying about whether or not he will uphold the law of the land, and OK with people lying about military service, and OK with Congress lying to the American people about whether a proposed law is a tax. No need to move the Fast and Furious scandal into the courts.... if it gets to the Supremes, Roberts’ decision is a foregone conclusion.


352 posted on 06/28/2012 7:35:34 AM PDT by Stat Man
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To: newnhdad

40 years? At this rate, the republic won’t be in existence that long.


353 posted on 06/28/2012 7:35:57 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: paul544

But it says per SCOTUSblog: In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: “In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety.”


354 posted on 06/28/2012 7:36:00 AM PDT by bjcoop
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What we find today is that a bill that does not contain the word tax and was passed by Congress and signed by the President on that basis, has now been ruled by edict by the SCOTUS to include a tax.

Therefore, the SCOTUS has just created a tax on the U. S. Citizens, this in and of itself a violation of the U. S. Constitution.


355 posted on 06/28/2012 7:36:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: altura

“Our only hope is to defeat this guy in November. I don’t care how little enthusiasm everyone has for Romney, please get over it and vote for him. To save our country.”

AMEN! Anyone who doesn’t do ALL they can to get this radical, Marxist, Muslim, America-hating demon OUT of our WH either wants more of him to completely take this country down or doesn’t realize how completely, actively dangerous he is.

This SCOTUS decision is flabbergasting. Sickening. I never dreamed that the mandate, much less the rest of this travesty, would stand in any way.


356 posted on 06/28/2012 7:36:41 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: paul544

Meant NOT full of fluff. I guess this validates the originally laughable position that was voiced early on that the administration was going to play to Roberts’ previous views on taxation. We laughed at the time, but they were spot on.


357 posted on 06/28/2012 7:36:45 AM PDT by paul544
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To: sam_paine

Johnny "Weasel" Roberts Eyes


358 posted on 06/28/2012 7:36:52 AM PDT by Amagi (I challenge Barack Obama to call this Tea Party Patriot a "tea bagger" to my face.)
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To: StAnDeliver

Can we opt out of tax withholding by our employers...that would starve the beast!


359 posted on 06/28/2012 7:37:09 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: Leep

The fact that states don’t have to accept new Medicaid funding, and can’t be penalized is a small victory - Roberts threw us a bone ...


360 posted on 06/28/2012 7:37:30 AM PDT by Bill Buckner
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