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Rio +20 Earth Summit: The End of International Environmentalism: Watching green ideology crash...
Reason ^ | June 26, 2012 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 06/27/2012 6:33:29 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 06/27/2012 6:33:41 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Its not crashing. Its changing form and looking at other methods.


2 posted on 06/27/2012 6:41:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: neverdem
researchers have found that development aid often actually retards economic growth and “has an insignificant or minute negative significant impact on per-capita income.” Why? Largely because the aid is stolen by the kleptocrats who run many poor countries and the rest is “invested” in projects that are not profitable.

Oh, you mean exactly like the "Porkulus package" which went to phony "green energy" companies, labor unions and other thieves right here in the US?

3 posted on 06/27/2012 6:41:05 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: neverdem

Environmentalists are like watermelons; green on the outside and red on the inside.


4 posted on 06/27/2012 6:49:12 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Oh, you mean exactly like the "Porkulus package" which went to phony "green energy" companies, labor unions and other thieves right here in the US?

You're right ROCKLOBSTER - it's the same...

5 posted on 06/27/2012 7:04:09 PM PDT by GOPJ (The 'doting court eunuchs' of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: cripplecreek
Its not crashing. Its changing form and looking at other methods.

They may be repackaging, but they have been dealt some serious blows, although I think this article doesn't grasp it. International environmentalism during the time of the Rio conference was primarily coming from rich countries and focusing on developing nations in an effort to keep them from developing. They touted things like eco-tourism of old growth rainforests, instead of industrialization. And of course, global warming, which is made worse by third world aspirations to own their own cars.

What happened in the meantime, is that developing countries said "BS," and developed in their own best interests anyway.

The end result of this new industrialization will also have many positive effects for the enviromnet,as for instance, the 1.3 billion Chinese are leaving the countryside and concentrating themselves in new cities, complete with sewage treatment for the first time, and trash removal. But environmentalists fought this.

6 posted on 06/27/2012 7:04:31 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: neverdem

“At the close of the Rio +20 Earth Summit last Friday, environmentalism reached its highwater mark and is now ebbing as a political force internationally. It will be interesting to see in which direction those cherishing a permanent animus against democratic capitalism will go.”

Which direction?

1. Through onerous regulations and oppressive taxation of any business that has a “high” carbon footprint

2. By advocating as many social entitlements the body politic will allow, thereby bringing about an economic collapse (and duly blamed on those greedy capitalists and “big” corporations)..all in the name of compassion and the “moral duty” to redistribute the wealth, etc.

3. By forcing developed and prosperous nations to severely restrict exploration, acquisition and use of natural resources, especially oil, coal and natural gas.

In other words, they will keep doing what they are doing already.


7 posted on 06/27/2012 7:09:19 PM PDT by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Maybe you should explain it to someone who doesn’t pay an electric bill 300% higher than it was a decade ago as my electric company builds wind farms to replace the coal fired plants they’re closing.


8 posted on 06/27/2012 7:09:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek; TEXOKIE; ELVISNIXON.com; SunkenCiv; E. Pluribus Unum; CharlyFord; OneLoyalAmerican; ..
"Its not crashing. Its changing form and looking at other methods."

Correct-O-Mundo! This environmental movement and U.N. Agenda 21 is a religion. These people will not sleep, will not rest, will not stop in their efforts to control all people using the environment as their shield.

Whether you know it or not, people like THIS are all around you!

9 posted on 06/27/2012 7:31:01 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: neverdem

The global communist party really doesn’t need the enviro-useful idiots anymore. They’ve just about finished pulling off their global coup. Freedom is toast. Commie style slavery is back in style. The “college students” love it.


10 posted on 06/27/2012 7:36:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America! The big pinata!)
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To: neverdem
Greenpeace spokesperson Kumi Naidoo...

Do ya think he got the job because he has an enviro-hip name?

11 posted on 06/27/2012 7:48:00 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: cripplecreek

You’re right.

The Marxists influence, if not control, every aspect of life in America.


12 posted on 06/27/2012 7:49:44 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Eco-tourism is incredibly elitist of an economic model. “You must not develop these resources to improve your quality of life, keep it pristine so that the visiting elites can enjoy it, and you’ll get enough money to barely survive.”
It’s worse than colonialism, because the locals don’t get the infrastructure or institutions colonization brings. If the eco-tourism fails, the locals have nothing to show for it, and may have lost rights to the natural resources that they previously had.


13 posted on 06/27/2012 7:56:55 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: cripplecreek

The addition of highly variable renewable power also drives up the infrastructure costs, because you have to add energy storage, natural gas plants that trigger on demand and smart grid / electronic monitoring to keep the lights on.
http://tamarawilhite.hubpages.com/hub/Smart-Grids-The-Promise-and-the-Potential-Problems


14 posted on 06/27/2012 8:01:20 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: neverdem
Greenpeace’s Kumi Naidoo lamely vowed that disappointed environmentalists would now engage in acts of civil disobedience in order to bring about the world they want.

Seppeku?

15 posted on 06/27/2012 8:07:05 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I just saw a report that 80% of the stimulus money went overseas.

I assume Michelle spent it shopping.

Or maybe she bought rocket launchers for Mexican drug cartels.

Same thing I guess.


16 posted on 06/27/2012 8:11:34 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Vince Ferrer; Baynative
The end result of this new industrialization will also have many positive effects for the enviromnet,as for instance, the 1.3 billion Chinese are leaving the countryside and concentrating themselves in new cities, complete with sewage treatment for the first time, and trash removal. But environmentalists fought this.

Oh, so I take it that you are a big fan of the Agenda 21 and UN Sustainable Development? That is certainly what your post indicates.

Take it from this habitat restorationist for nearly 25 years: You have no idea what is "good for the environment." What you are describing is both an urban prison and the destruction of topsoil.

China is an anthropogenic landscape and has been for thousands of years. For that entire time, the soil received the minerals that people consumed in vegetation. To suddenly pull the people off that land is a horrible idea. What will grow there? Who will weed it? Or are they going mechanize farming, feed it natural gas, and deplete that soil? How are they going to separate out the toxic minerals from that sewer cake while leaving the trace elements for growing food? What makes you think sewage treatment plants are such a good idea compared to composting. Do you know what the THM in that treated outfall will do to their fisheries?

I promise you, a third, at least of the farms in the American Midwest would blow away and turn to sand in three years without additional ammonia. My take is that the same will happen to China once they've used up what has been built.

Worse, once the people are gathered into cities they are ripe for extermination at the throw of a switch unless they obey. So I take it you are a big fan of tyranny and population control as well.

So I suggest you dispense with the popular whiz-dumb as regards what is "good" and start thinking about what is good for topsoil over the long run. It is the most precious resource on earth.

17 posted on 06/27/2012 9:00:37 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: neverdem
...sustainable development as a concept is a Rorschach blot. The canonical version reads: "Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." This has no specific meaning and can be used by anyone to mean anything that they would like. So it is not at all surprising that the representatives from 190 rich and poor nations meeting in Rio de Janeiro could not agree on anything substantive with regard to sustainable development.

Typical liberal strategy. "Sustainable development" "Climate change" "Justice" "Hope and Change"

Buzzwords that can mean anything to anybody.

18 posted on 06/27/2012 9:52:14 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: Vince Ferrer; Carry_Okie
"...1.3 billion Chinese are leaving the countryside and concentrating themselves in new cities, complete with sewage treatment for the first time, and trash removal. But environmentalists fought this."

People being crammed into multi level boxes will reduce their quality of life and make them easier for the government to control. Environmentalists aren't fighting this. Using U.N. Agenda 21, they are pushing it. Once you take a good look at the environmental movement you will see that it has nothing to do with ecology or the environment. Those who think so are the pawns in the game ...useful idiots.

19 posted on 06/27/2012 10:11:10 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Non-Farming Americans, or city/urban folk do not understand that the corporate and family farms are professionally managed. In High School there is the Future Farmers of American, and those students learn how to manage their business, e.g., the farm. In college and technical schools, the same science is further enhanced and refined for higher level farming. All this education is valid because the people taking it are living it - there are not too many city kids/urban folk not on farms trying to get into a lifestyle/business that they have not lived or understand.

Non-farming Americans have no true understanding of the land, other than a logical expectation of cause and effect.

The concept of urban prisons is wonderful, because after all the taxation and denial to the farmers and red-country folk they will not be so generous when it comes to basic survival. Let the truckers stop rolling for 4-7 days in the US and the cities will be in trouble; a disruption in gas/oil will prevent follow on products and food.

I actually look forward to the day that the cities self consume themselves along with their political clout and socialist mentality; only those individuals and the familys on corporate farms shall remain in this vision.

20 posted on 06/28/2012 2:56:57 AM PDT by Jumper
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