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Non-Farming Americans, or city/urban folk do not understand that the corporate and family farms are professionally managed. In High School there is the Future Farmers of American, and those students learn how to manage their business, e.g., the farm. In college and technical schools, the same science is further enhanced and refined for higher level farming. All this education is valid because the people taking it are living it - there are not too many city kids/urban folk not on farms trying to get into a lifestyle/business that they have not lived or understand.

Non-farming Americans have no true understanding of the land, other than a logical expectation of cause and effect.

The concept of urban prisons is wonderful, because after all the taxation and denial to the farmers and red-country folk they will not be so generous when it comes to basic survival. Let the truckers stop rolling for 4-7 days in the US and the cities will be in trouble; a disruption in gas/oil will prevent follow on products and food.

I actually look forward to the day that the cities self consume themselves along with their political clout and socialist mentality; only those individuals and the familys on corporate farms shall remain in this vision.

Non-farming Americans have no true understanding of the land

Make that non rural. I'm not a farmer but grew up around them and worked on them plenty as a youngster. After 50 years in the Michigan countryside I couldn't run a farm to save my life but I have a far better understanding of everything from where food comes from to farm and forest ecology.

How bout this idiocy. They want to farm Detroit amid lord knows how many acres of fallow Michigan farmland. In my opinion its just another scheme to grab taxpayer dollars for everything from soil restoration to irrigation projects.

Think about it, would you eat anything grown in the heavily contaminated soil of a defunct Detroit factory? The only thing that makes any sense to me is tree farming in Detoit.

Non-farming Americans have no true understanding of the land, other than a logical expectation of cause and effect.

That "logical expectation" sees their farm in isolation from its extended surroundings. It is a logic built upon the purposeful construction of control boundaries that make such constructs practicable. Without them, the control variables would be meaningless. They presume the existence of the farm's supply chain, utilities, and access to fuel. Without them, those models for land management are completely useless. Nor do we maintain the means to adapt, as we would if we had a logical risk management architecture.

From what I have seen of the soil in a lot of these "professionally managed" farms, they don't get it either. Those deep soils in the Midwest were built with grasses. Learning how to reconstruct that pastoral rotation is critical, long term. Although the mineral bases for those soils are enormous because of their geological youth, the amendments they receive are barely beyond what Nelson & Barber called, "the bare economic optimum."

All this education is valid because the people taking it are living it -

"All this education is valid" only under conditions within that presumptive control boundary. That's a "taught ology" my FRiend. The method will only go so long, particularly as we continue to neglect the land outside said boundary. The effects I am talking about are continental in scope, and capable of REAL climate change. Therein is the failure to comprehend how the fires in Colorado affect the sand hills of Nebraska.

In fact, it is my contention that both the Saudi and Sahara deserts are anthropogenic in origin, not by overgrazing, but by assimilating and killing the people who knew how to run it for over 14,000 years. Once Abel was dead, the locusts won, and there was no going back. If you think we're immune now, I've got bad news for you.

I have every confidence you have no idea what I'm talking about.

I actually look forward to the day that the cities self consume themselves along with their political clout and socialist mentality; only those individuals and the familys on corporate farms shall remain in this vision.

Worse, if you think farming will make it without the recombinant technology that keeps us ahead of pests, (wheat rust, for example), or keeps that ammonia truck coming, or brings in the sewer cake, or refines your diesel, or supplies parts for pumps, or pesticides, or electrical power, keeps the satellite data coming in, upgrades your optimization software, negotiates prices, organizes delivery, well, those "professional farmers" you cite have no idea how to make it without that URBAN industrial infrastructure, and you have only to look at the San Joaquin Valley once the delta smelt charade cut off ONLY their water, never mind the rest of that list, to recognize what I mean. Once the dust storms get going, no amount of preparation will protect any of their neighbors.

I'll bet you still don't know what I'm talking about, but believe it or not, this thesis was explained 3,000 years ago, describing a relationship between agro-urban settlers and nomadic pastoralists as coupled to the survival of nations. It predicted the process that led to industrial ag today. And I'm CERTAIN you have no idea what I'm talking about there, as I'm just finishing up my translation of Genesis 4. It doesn't say what everybody thinks it does.