BBC Official Admits Network 'Got it Wrong' on Fogel Murders

The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) “got it wrong” in its reporting of the massacre of the Fogel family by Arab terrorists in the Jewish community of Itamar, the broadcaster's outgoing director-general admitted at a parliamentary committee hearing.

The BBC’s Mark Thompson acquiesced on June 19 while being questioned by Conservative member of parliament Louise Mensch, the London Jewish Chronicle reported.

In complaining about the insufficient coverage of the event on BBC radio and television programs, the newspaper reported that Mensch said, “I only found out, after the event, from an American blog, called ‘Dead Jews is no news,’ and the more I went into it, the more shocked I was.”

“There was a feeling that the BBC just didn’t care and that if a settler had opened the home of a Palestinian family, slit the throat of their children, that the BBC would have covered that,” Mensch asserted.

Thompson responded by claiming that the story occurred during a “very busy news period,” including the fighting in Libya and the tsunami in Japan and that “news editors were under a lot of pressure.”

“Having said that, it was certainly an atrocity which should have been covered across our news bulletins that day,” he added.

Firstly, at NO point have I belittled American involvement in WW2. What I DID point out was that far from relying on America, America (who supposedly ‘saved’ us) in fact relied heavily on British men, material and support in order to fight in N Africa, Sicily, Italy and

You are clearly unaware (as are many Americans and increasingly British) of just how much America needed/relied on Britain in WW2, from reverse lend lease and supplies to nuclear secrets and intelligence.

That is simple fact. That is NOT the same as therefore belittling American efforts in WW2. Pointing out that 79% of all ships on D-Day were of the Royal Navy/Royal Canadian Navy (16% American, 5% Free French and Free European) does not equal belittling Omaha Beach or Utah Beach, even the fact we landed Americans on those beaches is nothing more than pointing out a simple fact.

Secondly, the only Israeli/Jews I consider terrorists are the men of the Irgun and Stern gang. I am pro-Israel, pro-Jewish. But where people of your group have done wrong, I will say so.

You either are a s*it-stirrer trying to get sympathy by making me look the big bad anti-semitic Limey or you cant read.

p.s. what do the English says about the Scots?. Actually, given that we have a superior education system, a superior legal system, a higher rate of literacy and numeracy, and that the English historically failed miserably to conquer the Scots (as they did the Irish and Welsh), what they say, most Scots couldnt care.

“You are clearly unaware (as are many Americans and increasingly British)”

I am Israeli.

“of just how much America needed/relied on Britain in WW2”

Actually, America needed UK very little. It could have stayed home (or gone and fought the Japanese who are the ones that actually attacked them), let the Nazis regroup and defeat you.

“from reverse lend lease and supplies”

To partially supply americans troops who fought to defend England, yes.

In contrast, 1/4 of all of Englands aircraft, munitions, supplies were delived by Americans, not to mention over 50 US Navy destroyers were transferred to the Royal Navy

“to nuclear secrets”

LOL. Jews without a country did more for the Manhattan project than England.

On 30 July 1942, Sir John Anderson, the minister responsible, advised Churchill that: “We must face the fact that ... [our] pioneering work ... is a dwindling asset and that, unless we capitalise it quickly, we shall be outstripped. We now have a real contribution to make to a ‘merger.’ Soon we shall have little or none.”

“You either are a s*it-stirrer trying to get sympathy by making me look the big bad anti-semitic Limey or you cant read.”

No, you’re just an insignificant idiot.

“English historically failed miserably to conquer the Scots what they say, most Scots couldnt care.”

Talk about getting your history from Hollywood.

‘Actually, America needed UK very little. It could have stayed home (or gone and fought the Japanese who are the ones that actually attacked them), let the Nazis regroup and defeat you.’

I was and am talking about the American reliance on British ships and material in order to fight in Europe and N Africa.
Just 16% of ships on D-Day were American.

‘LOL. Jews without a country did more for the Manhattan project than England.

Oh dear. Your ignorance is laughable. You ARE aware that the British in 1940 gave all their nuclear programme secrets to America?. You ARE aware that Britain had a nuclear programme of its own prior to Dec 7th 1941 and also had America not entered the war, Britain had a nuclear facility in Canada ready to start solo work on a British atomic bomb?. Tube Alloys ring a bell?.

And if you are fond of quotes, I much prefer the one from Leslie Groves, the head of the Manhattan Project who stated the bomb would never have been built were it not for the British contribution.

‘No, you’re just an insignificant idiot.’

That’s MR Insignificant Idiot, MA in History from Glasgow University 1995.

‘Talk about getting your history from Hollywood.’

Your history knowledge REALLY is pitiful. Scotland JOINED the United Kingdom in 1707. Between 1018 and 1640, England tried and failed to conquer Scotland.

How arrogant of you to tell a Scotsman, and a qualified historian Scotsman at that, about the basics of his own country.

Hell, I bet you think Britain and England are the same thing.

The bottom line is that if not for the actions of the Irgun and Lechi (aka the Stern Gang), the Brits would not have left Israel/Palestine.
During the 1948 Israeli War of Independence the Brits flew fighter jets for the Egyptians against the Jewish State.
As for your jab at America, America never occupied Israel/Palestine and was never charged with the creation of a Jewish Homeland. Britain had that legal and moral obligation and did not live up to its responsibilities.
Although Ben Gurion initially disagreed with Begin and Shamir, they eventually joined forces and cooperated to oust the British and fight them and the Arab armies which invaded Israel during the War of Independence.
The facts stand for themselves.

“You ARE aware that the British in 1940 gave all their nuclear programme secrets to America?. You ARE aware that Britain had a nuclear programme of its own prior to Dec 7th 1941 and also had America not entered the war, Britain had a nuclear facility in Canada ready to start solo work on a British atomic bomb?. Tube Alloys ring a bell?”

Yes, I know all that, and more. It was insignifcant work, and would never have been finished before the end of the war.

Indeed, aside from Neils Bors, all England provided to the Manhattan Project was Klaus Emil Julius Fuchs, the British man who turned over the nuke plans to the Soviets.

‘The bottom line is that if not for the actions of the Irgun and Lechi (aka the Stern Gang), the Brits would not have left Israel/Palestine.’

Rubbish. The British would have left, all the terrorism did was make us leave earlier. Remember, even by 1947, the Empire was decreasing.

Also, your argument basically says that terrorism is ok. So what the IRA or any group does is ok. By that ‘logic’, terrorism against Americans in Saudi Arabia, Africa, the USS Cole and elsewhere is justifiable. After all, you were in a country/countries that are not your own. So these groups had every right to drive you out

Please therefore quit whinin’ about Beirut 1983, the USS Cole, Riyadh, the 1998 embassy bombings.

So terrorism is evil as long as certain groups do it.
Gotcha.
Duly noted.

‘During the 1948 Israeli War of Independence the Brits flew fighter jets for the Egyptians against the Jewish State.’

LOL, what a pitifully selective memory/knowledge you have.

Firstly, the ‘Brits’ did no such thing. The British who did fought in the Arab Legion, not the British armed forces. In fact, ALL British officers in the Arab Legion were instructed to return to Transjordan. ALL officers returned without question. And there were public and press calls for the officers to be courtmartialled and imprisoned for serving in a foreign army.

Secondly, clearly you are ignorant of the Battle of Ramat David, where the British fought WITH the Israelis. RAF planes in the battle defeated an attack by the Egyptian Air Force. So the only official military action taken by Britain in 1948 was to HELP and DEFEND Israel.

You’re welcome.

‘As for your jab at America, America never occupied Israel/Palestine and was never charged with the creation of a Jewish Homeland. Britain had that legal and moral obligation and did not live up to its responsibilities.’

Britain had Palestine for just 30 years. And last I looked the Balfour Declaration was named after a British man (a Scot in fact).

Amazing....

America did nothing to set up a Jewish state and did nothing to save hundreds of thousands of Jews. America did nothing to stop the rise and conquest of the Nazis.

Britain writes the Balfour Declaration and stands longest and alone againat the Nazis.

And yet we are the ones getting judgement passed on us?.
And Americans think they have the right to pass judgement?.

Two words.
And the second one is off.

My only regret is that Stern and Lechi did not act earlier and spare some of Europe’s Jew.

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“Also, your argument basically says that terrorism is ok. So what the IRA or any group does is ok. By that ‘logic’, terrorism against Americans in Saudi Arabia, Africa, the USS Cole and elsewhere is justifiable. After all, you were in a country/countries that are not your own. So these groups had every right to drive you out

Please therefore quit whinin’ about Beirut 1983, the USS Cole, Riyadh, the 1998 embassy bombings.”

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You fail to make the moral distinction between attacks on civilian targets and attacks on military targets. You fail to distinguish between Britain’s positive obligations to allow Jews into a Jewish State and America’s passive failure to volunteer to take Jews onto its soil.

Moral equivalency is the basis of anti-Israel condemnation around the world, and is the hallmark of current anti-Semitism and the multicultural left.

9/11 was an attack on a wholly civilian target in a time of peace, directed at a target with no relationship to the attackers.

If you can’t see the difference you are morally bereft.

‘You fail to make the moral distinction between attacks on civilian targets and attacks on military targets. You fail to distinguish between Britain’s positive obligations to allow Jews into a Jewish State and America’s passive failure to volunteer to take Jews onto its soil.’

I fail at nothing. Because my point was obviously not a serious personal opinion. My point was to point out the illogicality and paucity of such an argument where terrorism would be justifiable. Which is why I put the word logic in inverted commas, to signify that it was in fact illogical.

My whining remark is pure sarcasm and again to point out the offensiveness and bizarre ‘logic’ (oops there I go again) of condoning terrorism.

I am sorry if you havent understood the point I was clearly making. I assumed people here would understand it. For heavens sake, how more blunt could I have been with my language?.

‘Moral equivalency is the basis of anti-Israel condemnation around the world, and is the hallmark of current anti-Semitism and the multicultural left.’

I agree. Then again, I AM pro-Israel, pro-Jewish and conservative.

‘If you can’t see the difference you are morally bereft.’

Again, you have failed to understand the point I was making.

“Two words.
And the second one is off.”

This is how conversations end.

I plead ignorance to the British alliance with Israel in the Battle of Ramat David in 1948. I googled it and did not get a hit. Please enlighten us.

I am aware of British military cooperation and alliance with Israel only in the 1956 Suez campaign.

Also I am well aware of the Christian Zionists such as L. George and Balfour and am impressed and thankful. So you have a point, Britain was largely responsible for the creation of the Jewish State.

As noted, the truism of “states have no friends only interests” probably explains the British tilt towards the Arabs when petroleum resources were concentrated in Arab countries. So they changed and did not support a Jewish State anymore.

As for America, I agree that their support of Israel had been erratic and imperfect. Again, oil.

I will not address the IRA point as I do not feel comfortable with my knowledge of the conflict but it seems the Brits are occupying a country not their own and the Irish are fighting for their freedom. So at least I am consistent.

As for attacks against the US in Arab countries, Beirut, Cole etc perhaps the Americans shouldn’t be in Arab countries.

I will draw the line at the 9/11 attacks in NYC.

‘I plead ignorance to the British alliance with Israel in the Battle of Ramat David in 1948. I googled it and did not get a hit. Please enlighten us.’

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/raf.htm
http://www.spyflight.co.uk/iafvraf.htm

‘I will not address the IRA point as I do not feel comfortable with my knowledge of the conflict but it seems the Brits are occupying a country not their own and the Irish are fighting for their freedom. So at least I am consistent.’

Oh dear. Fo the sake of politeness, I will contain my anger.

‘As for attacks against the US in Arab countries, Beirut, Cole etc perhaps the Americans shouldn’t be in Arab countries.

I will draw the line at the 9/11 attacks in NYC.’

Again, as I said to another poster, I wasnt actually condoning those acts. My point was to show the illogicality of condoning some terrorism whilst hating other acts of terrorism.

‘I plead ignorance to the British alliance with Israel in the Battle of Ramat David in 1948. I googled it and did not get a hit. Please enlighten us.’

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/raf.htm
http://www.spyflight.co.uk/iafvraf.htm

Oh dear. Fo the sake of politeness, I will contain my anger.

‘As for attacks against the US in Arab countries, Beirut, Cole etc perhaps the Americans shouldn’t be in Arab countries.

I will draw the line at the 9/11 attacks in NYC.’

Again, as I said to another poster, I wasnt actually condoning those acts. My point was to show the illogicality of condoning some terrorism whilst hating other acts of terrorism.

‘I plead ignorance to the British alliance with Israel in the Battle of Ramat David in 1948. I googled it and did not get a hit. Please enlighten us.’

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/raf.htm
http://www.spyflight.co.uk/iafvraf.htm

Oh dear. Fo the sake of politeness, I will contain my anger.

‘As for attacks against the US in Arab countries, Beirut, Cole etc perhaps the Americans shouldn’t be in Arab countries.

I will draw the line at the 9/11 attacks in NYC.’

Again, as I said to another poster, I wasnt actually condoning those acts. My point was to show the illogicality of condoning some terrorism whilst hating other acts of terrorism.

Thank you for your links.

Sending those links as evidence of British alliance with Israel and using their air force to help the Jews of Israel was done either because of your poor reading comprehension or it was an attempt at duplicity. The latter is obviously the case considering the content and tone of your posts.

Both of those links explain that the RAF attacked Egyptian planes because they attacked Brits, NOT because they attacked Israel or Jews.

Just to clarify my position. Calling an opposing force terrorists is often controversial. I feel that if the fighters confine their attacks to military personell then they are freedom fighters or an army of sorts. That is what the Irgun did. Just because the Brits didn't like them doesn't make them terrorists. The King David Hotel was a military target, period. They ignored warnings.

Thank you for your links.

Both of those links explain that the RAF attacked Egyptian planes because they attacked Brits, NOT because they attacked Israel or Jews.

1—It was not an attempt at duplicity. It was a point made to counter the ridiculous assertion that Britain tried to help wipe out the new Jewish state in 1948. I pointed out that the British did not fight with the Arabs, and I pointed out that the only air battle involving British planes was one AGAINST an Arab attacker of Israel.

That is fact. Sorry if that shatters your 1948 conspiracy theory. Perhaps it is not evidence of an ‘alliance’, but IS clear evidence that the assertion that the British and Arabs had an alliance is bunkum.

2—’ I feel that if the fighters confine their attacks to military personell then they are freedom fighters or an army of sorts.’

So the men who committed the USS Cole and Riyadh are freedom fighters then?. And the men who blew up the Marine barracks in Beirut?.

And what about when attacks on the military kill civilians?.

As to the Irgun, the KD Hotel bombing killed civilians. The Irgun also murdered a civilian who had spent WW2 SAVING thousands of Jewish lives. So what Irgun acts are justifiable and what ones arent?. Even your ‘justifiable’ acts against the British military contained acts of vileness: the torture and murder of two unarmed British soldiers (Sgts Paice and Martin), whose dead bodies were then boobytrapped. So was the torture and strangulation of two unarmed and bound men A-OK?.

Why is there such an unwillingness to admit that the two groups were terrorists?. If they were Arab, British, American or European this wouldnt even be an issue. Because they were Jewish, there seems to be this stupid idea that to call them terrorists is to negate the validity of the idea of Israel as founded in 1948, or even that to do so is somehow tantamount of anti-semitism.

Utter nonsense. Calling them what they were no more negates or attacks Jewishess or Israel anymore than to call the IRA terrorists negates the idea of peaceful Irish Republicanism or makes all (Catholic) Irish people murdering terrorists.

Your attempt to justify this terrorism and that of the IRA is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

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